When you open a girl for the first time

[Maximummax]

Will you tell about your future goals and aspirations or keep it short?

 

[Clockwerk50]

The goal in seduction is to first connect with someone mentally, so they feel comfortable enough to open up physically. You do this by creating moments of pleasure and trust that encourage them to let their guard down. If you are the one being opened up first, it means you are being seduced.

With this in mind, if a girl wants to seduce you or is open to getting to know you, your goals and aspirations will matter to her. However, if she doesn’t show interest it likely means she doesn’t care about your goals and aspirations since she sees no value in what you are saying. People usually focus on what benefits them or aligns with their own thoughts.

 

[Maximummax]

The goal in seduction is to first connect with someone mentally, so they feel comfortable enough to open up physically. You do this by creating moments of pleasure and trust that encourage them to let their guard down. If you are the one being opened up first, it means you are being seduced.

With this in mind, if a girl wants to seduce you or is open to getting to know you, your goals and aspirations will matter to her. However, if she doesn’t show interest it likely means she doesn’t care about your goals and aspirations since she sees no value in what you are saying. People usually focus on what benefits them or aligns with their own thoughts.

will the above scenario work in a non-club/bar place?

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Will you tell about your future goals and aspirations or keep it short?

Always leave them wanting more

 

[Clockwerk50]

will the above scenario work in a non-club/bar place?

There’s a reason why the 70/30 conversational ratio and the two-thirds golden rule are always advised: you should be revealing less than you’re discovering because people love hearing their own thoughts reflected back at them. When someone feels seen and their ideas validated, their guard drops, and they start to project their ideal self onto you. That’s when connection turns into attraction.

Nonetheless, the only way I can see it working is:

1. You are extremely charismatic, meaning your presence, confidence, and mystery naturally draw people in without effort. In that case, even sharing more can deepen attraction because of your energy and the way you command the room. Not sure if you’ve ever seen a truly charismatic person, but their presence alone makes people want to listen.
2. You reveal everything about yourself, but only if your honesty is bold. When your flaws or stories are real and fascinating, they create intimacy and intrigue, but if they’re ordinary and mediocre, you kill the fantasy.

Question is, why would you go against the grain with something that already works?

 

[BaronOfHair]

"Opening" and first date conversation are two seperate endeavors. Insofar as the latter goes, "Yo", "Hi", "What's Up" and all phrases similar are more than sufficient

 

[BackInTheGame78]

None of that deep crap for a while...keep it light, sexy and fun.

Stop trying to go on 20 dates on a single date.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Stop trying to go on 20 dates on a single date.

And as we're no longer in '04, very few gals will have a romanticized view of being taken on 50 First Dates

 

[Hamurabimbi]

No one has ever asked about my Future Goals & Aspirations. That sounds like a job interview question. ‘Where do you see yourself in five years?’

 

[inquisitor]

Will you tell about your future goals and aspirations or keep it short?

I'd let her do the talking first so I know what she's like on the surface, so this means I'm asking questions about her. Being curious is in our nature, and we better be genuine. If she asks, I'd answer little, but enough to heighten the mystery, giving her enough belief and reason to make her curious about me.

 

[obelisk]

Your goal is to hook her and get HER talking while maintaining mystery (and hence plausible deniability) regarding who you actually are. The last thing you want to do is to start laying out your future dreams which can't be demonstrated in any way.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Your goal is to hook her and get HER talking while maintaining mystery (and hence plausible deniability) regarding who you actually are. The last thing you want to do is to start laying out your future dreams which can't be demonstrated in any way.

Unless he wants to only go on a single short date and she suddenly "has an emergency" and has to leave, then blocks his number.

 

[tksniper]

I use the same framework for every approach.

Presence -> Appreciation -> escalation -> logistics

Presence -Your dominant masculine presence is the first thing she will notice and will cause her to give you an approach invitation. If you aren’t getting approach invitations, you probably have very little presence. Go to the gym, work on your style, do whatever you need to do to develop a commanding presence.

Appreciation- My goal is to show appreciation for her unique self. I can’t just say “I like you because you are sexy.” There are sexy women everywhere. So I try to build some rapport and get to know her better. Once I discover something unique about her, then I’ll show my genuine appreciation for it. A lot of guys are too caught up in their own egos that they forget to appreciate the woman in front of them. This makes the woman lose trust.

Escalation - The bad way to escalate is saying something like “I like you because you are sexy. What’s your number?” This is desperate interest. There are sexy women everywhere. She won’t be convinced you are genuinely interested and this statement will trip up her cognitive dissonance (when her body says yes, her heart says no, her mind says maybe) aka anti slvt defense.

The right way to escalate is to discover something unique about her and show appreciation for it along with her sex appeal. For example: “You know, I’ve just realized that not JUST are you sexy, but you seem really down to earth and easy going. I like that about you. We should definitely hang out sometime.” I combine her sexiness WITH a positive personality trait.

This is called a Statement of Intent (SOI). The best SOI combines “not just are you sexy” with “but you are also (insert what is unique about her)” and “let’s hang out sometime (intent). This makes her feel “seen”. The SOI works especially on online dating along with real life.

Ideally you should escalate with an SOI 15 minutes into the interaction. Don’t wait too long. If you are not escalating, then you are completely useless to women. They are not opening themselves up to you for their health. They are doing it in hopes you will escalate.

If she responds positively to my SOI, then I fish for logistics. It could be an instant date, or perhaps we make plans to meet up later.