When will you guys realize that LOOKS are almost all that matters!?

[I'm in the Mood]

Looks only matter if you're a person who can't see beyond the surface of things.

 

[search1ng]

Can't be stuffed reading though 5 pages, but here's my reply to the OP's original post.

You need to genuine.
I know that PUA stuff will usually work, and I'm sure you've had a lot of success with negs and whatnots and kino along will all the other goodies we have access to, but women see through that stuff. Even the HB9's that we all think are actually insecure women dying to meet that alpha manly man.

Looks are important, you have no chance in hell if you're not in shape and don't take care of yourself. I don't care how much game you have - but taking care of yourself is so easy. Eat right, workout and ****ing realize that women are not the priority.

Just take care of that, (Aka, your ****ing life) and your success with women will skyrocket. Now imagine that plus all the Don Juan alpha **** we learn here. You won't always end the night with that HB9 but you'll know it doesn't matter cause your life is going the WAY YOU WANT IT TO and you KNOW THAT ANOTHER HB9 IS JUST WAITING FOR YOU AROUND THE CORNER.

Honestly, who gives a **** about woman man - we love them, we make love to them, we marry them, we (hopefully) live fulfilling lives with them but really, at the end of the day, YOUR quality of life OUTSIDE of women is FAR more important.

Also, please do take note - you want that beautiful HB9 that's educated, down to earth and screams quality woman at your face? Make sure you bring something to the table as well.

For women, it's a sad reality that the pretty ones have a far more easier time in life then the unfortunately less glamorous ones. For men, life (in the developed world at least - can't speak for those in developing as i have no experience there) generally sees to it that the amount of effort you put into your life sees you rewarded proportionately.

 

[trrush]

some of you guys are just beyond help; you will forever find something wrong with you. I seen guys on here say they are fugly, posted a pic and he's not ugly at all. It'll always be something, your face, your body, always something to hurt your feelings. you hate yourself so much, but want someone to love you.
I think you guys are victims of the media.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

That's not an issue with looks, its an issue with low self-esteem and Body dysmorphic disorder. If a guy is a 10 and thinks he looks like sh!t, he might blow himself out . . but even still, it was HIS to blow out. He was at the plate!

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Looks * Confidence = success rate in %

If a girl dislikes how a guy looks she most likely denies him then. If he passes the looks test then it relies on his "swagger"

 

[satelliteparties]

Why did you post a random picture of Kevin Youkilis?

Don't tell me its another "look at this average looking millionaire! He gets girls1 looks don't matter" thing.

No, actually the opposite. He had a hot wife...and fans on the street (his own fans) taunted the wife and asked why she was with him.

He's hated for no reason across the league because of the way he looks and how he comes off (for those of you who have seen him play.)

My point was the opposite...that there are truly Fugly guys out there.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

Oddly enough, I passed by him in a casino once. I said "hey" and he just kind of looked at me like he was figuring out if he knew me or not, then he said nothing and kept walking.

 

[comic_relief]

"Maxim #463: Do not underestimate the rapidity with which a woman will jettison her conventional mate criteria when exposed to the attentions of a charismatic man."

I like it. now does any of this freaking matter? Is the looks or personality debate REALLY going to make a bit of difference in anyones life?

If you want to change than please do it for yourself. Not women or others.

- comic_relief

 

[drf408]

I too can not read through 5+ pages of this however I will just give my opinion on the OP's thoughts. I have a LOT of experience on this.I agree looks are important and you're success rate goes up for sure, ESPECIALLY if you have game too. But looks are not the end all, I have friends that often pull better girls than I do because they are outgoing and have great opening game. I SUCK at approaching and opening, do well once I'm in. I would say I used to be someone that would be considered by most girls as a "pretty boy" and even to this day I am remembered nearly anywhere I go after 1 time. What has it done for me? Nada, I am passive I end up making most of the situation awkward.

A few weeks back, I actually approached a girl, don't what got into me, probably the booze . First date, hooked up, one of the first things she told me was that she liked that I just "went for what I wanted" and she didn't remember me that well, but remembered that I had confidence and seemed to want her and she decided to go through with the date. It wasn't looks that got me with her but a sense of confidence and personality that made her follow up with me. Having looks with no game, is worse than being average and super charismatic.

Also being hung up on the looks aspect is the worst mindset all to often I find myself mentally putting a hot girl up on a pedestal. Drawing conclusions about what she probably would want and acting like its a big deal, then I will see her at a later point and see the guy shes with and scratch my head "wtf! REALLY??".

 

[ELMER_GANTRY]

lol do you know how hard it is for a guy to be under a 5 lol? a GUY BASICALLY HAS TO BE GANGRAPED with the ugly stick to be under a 5.


There is a quote that I apply to women, can be applied to men. there are not unattractive women, just lazy ones. Any woman can be attractive if she works at it. Same for men. Somme are blessed to have certain physical aspects others don't have but any man that gives a **** about his appearance can be a 7 if he works at it. And a 7 is never out of the competition

haha that is true but i've seen them out and about. I was using below 5 as an example of a real ugly guy

 

[georgie24]

alot of metrosexuals in this thread, you guys read cosmo too?

 

[search1ng]

alot of metrosexuals in this thread, you guys read cosmo too?

Of course! Cosmo is where i get all my seduction and relationship advice! Don't you??

 

[spinaroonie]

Unlike women, it doesn't take a lot for a guy to look good.

Hit the gym, eat well, dress sharp, good haircut.

 

[Forty0ztoFreedom]

BTW, I hope we're talking about actually getting somewhere with a girl and not just "approaching" and getting her to laugh, or getting the hugely overrated phone-number from her.

Yes, any guy that doesn't have her reaching for mace can probably achieve that with enough game. 3 ole's for game.

 

[Doc Kas]

Any guy who says looks don't matter has never overheard females talking to each other. When women are talking in a group about a guy, you hear things like:

Is he tall? Is he cute? Is he hot? Is he athletic?

I cringe when I hear that women are LESS into looks than men. I believe women are MORE into looks than men ever will be. (Of course money and status can compensate.)

Another way to look at is this: at a strip club, the men looking at the hot dancer are relatively calm. At a male strip show, the women go absolutely crazy. Tell me who is more hung up on looks.

Lastly, remember that when it's last call at the bar, a man's standards go down, but a female's standards go up.

Yeah, I've heard the same **** at parties when women aren't inhibited by the social conventions normally keeping them from speaking their minds. Alcohol or drugs are a great lubricant for allowing such honesty.

Although, caring more than men? Jury is still out in my humble opinion.

 

[Doc Kas]

People who say looks don't matter are either in denial or are selling some pua material.

A woman knows within 5 minutes of meeting you whether she'll f**k you. If you don't have the looks, more than likely the girl has a hidden agenda, meaning she's trying to boost her ego, get you in a platonic relationship, keep you as someone to diktease, see how much she can get from your wallet, etc. Personality and game come after the girl gives you a chance.

Falcon 25 has made a realist post!

Interesting. Within 5 minutes? I have heard this before and if that's the case, the whole process pretty much makes seduction and game redundant.

And if this is true, only relationship game is of value it would appear.

 

[Doc Kas]

Its shameful how far "looks don't matter" has gotten, and its infuriating when you realize the "looks don't matter" crowd is talking about people less attractive than Brad Pitt.

Seriously. They'll ramble on and on and on about "looks don't matter", and they're really talking about some average guy that maybe just doesn't look like a fvcking ADONIS.

Meanwhile the 300 pound dude trades in his treadmill for a collection E-BOOKS!

Its infuriating to me. Its not defeatist, its just being real. And once you accept the fact that LOOKS MATTER you can actually start GETTING SOMEWHERE!

I've said this before, but go to bodybuilding.com and read the thread "Were you treated differently after losing a lot of weight." Its just as inspiring as the DJ Bible.

I've seen this thread. Inspiring stuff. It also mentions general day to day treatment from both genders. Although, it is a 100+ page plus thread if anyone is interested.

 

[Doc Kas]

I'd like to see an experiment done online with the same profile and different photo - one with a guy who is a 6, one with a guy who is a 9. See how many replies are received for both.

I know looks matter because on nights when I'm at my best, women approach me, and on nights when I'm not, they don't.

Some girls (especially young and/or immature women) insist that a guy be extremely good looking. A recent ex-gf never really treated me right because her 2 previous boyfriends were supermodels (granted they dumped her).

Jesus man, you're everywhere on this forum. Spreading the good word I see.

I can see the validity in your post. The travesty here is they expect "extremely" good looking. Very good looking or just standard good looking isn't enough. How many guys are in the "extremely" category?

She must of been a Victoria Secret model. Ahhhh screw than noise BN.

 

[Doc Kas]

. . A girl calling a guy "cute" doesn't mean sh!t.

Bingo! Cute or not bad looking doesn't mean much. Women are sheep/herd creatures, and more often than not, if you're good looking ****able right off the bat, they'll use terminology that is rife in pop culture......i.e. Hot!

 

[wifehunter]

As much as I adore supermodels, the probability of most being evil b!tches, is highly likely.