"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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When to call back?

chivalry_x

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Here is the situation:

  • HB7.5 girl has been in my class all year
  • Finally talked to Friday night, after the final exam (talk about last minute)
  • She knows I think she's cute (I hinted to watching her in class a few times), but I did not come off as desperate in any way
  • Got her number, said "I'll call you" as I got off the bus
  • She has her last exam on Tuesday (not that it should matter)
  • She does not live in town (she will likely move soon after exams)
She laughed at half of the things I said. I told her "I got plans", but refused to tell her what they were, even though she kept asking (job, etc.). I also did a very minor compliance test, which she passed. That and other things tell me she is definitely interested.

When do I call back? I am thinking tomorrow afternoon (Sunday)? I don't want to come off as desperate, but I want to see her again to see where things go.

As for me, I just finished 4th year undergrad, and she is in 1st year. She knows this, and it (among other things) has likely given me higher value.

I should also add that I have absolutely no relevant experience with girls. 'Kino' is my weakpoint. I can build it up well to where I should start to do 'kino', but I always begin to stumble there.

Main issue here is when to call back. I think I can take it from there.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Mavrick

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Tuesday night.

Because you're busy and you have a lot going on. Make her feel that she's coming into your exciting world and not the other way around. Do not apologize for calling on Tuesday because you call when you want to call.
 

I.A.F.Y.B.

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Everyone is gonna have a different opinion of when to call. Whats today Saturday? I would say Mon. or Tues. (like mentioned above^^)and set up a date. I like setting up dates on the weekends but that's just me. Cause, I work Mon. - Fri.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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chivalry_x

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Hmmm. Well I'm moving on the Wednesday, and I'm busy as hell up until then. If I call Thursday evening and set something up for Friday, is that too 'late'?
 

chivalry_x

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Cr1msonKing said:
Most of the time, when you set up dates with girls, and you set up on a "exciting/party" day it makes you come off like you have nothing to do on a Friday/Saturday night.
Well surely there is a 'limit' as to how long I can take to call before she loses interest?

And as for Fridays/Saturdays, I usually never am doing anything, which leads me to the question: what the heck should I suggest we do? I know I should 'take command', but is a "let's meet up at X location and go from there" too vague?
 

Mazeman11

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Call her whenever the hell you feel like calling her. Doesn't matter which night. Calling her a certain time will not make her like you more or less.

If you want to set up a weekday date, do it. If you want to set up a weekend date, do it. All this BS about you appearing like a loser because you want to spend a weekend night with her is just that...Pure watered down BS.
 
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