European-DJ
Master Don Juan
How many dates max. Before you fvck her?
Let mé know your thought and an explanation.
Regards
Let mé know your thought and an explanation.
Regards
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
When is it a waste of time?
- Thread starter European-DJ
- Start date
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
3) "Three Strikes and You're Out".
If she hasn't put out in the first three dates, DUMP THAT *****!
Tom Leykis http://www.leykisonline.com/portal/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=450
If she hasn't put out in the first three dates, DUMP THAT *****!
Tom Leykis http://www.leykisonline.com/portal/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=450
No hard and fast answer since it depends on your other options. But generally 3 dates max if your balls are still intact.
And I don't like to use the word "dates" since I haven't really been on many in the last year or so, random fvcking seems to happen without even needing them, and I don't give a sh!t about being in a relationship at present.
The only exception for me has been chicks from work - 2 of them it was several weeks of gradual escalation by e-mail / text while I reeled her in (mainly to ensure that I didn't go too far ahead of her to avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit). The other I fvcked in the sick room 2 days after she first e-mailed me.
You need to make sure you plan logistics to get here back to yours or her place by the second date latest (if you don't, you need to work on logistics or she justisn't interested). Then it will either happen or it won't.
If it doesn't, then one more date (the 3rd one) gives her one more chance to prove herself (i.e. a 2 strikes rule for banging her).
You may occasionally (if you are short on options, or don't plan your logistics properly) exceed the 3 date rule, but only in extreme circumstances.
As an example, I cast my mind back to the last 10 girls I banged (excluding at work), and these are the results:
* 7 - I banged the first time I met her.
* 3 - I banged the second time I saw her (only one of which the first time we met was an actual date).
What this highlights is that attraction is not a choice. If a girl is into you and you plan logistics properly, it will generally happen pretty quick.
Whereas if a girl is NOT into you, seeing her more time or taking her out on more dates will generally achieve nothing.
And I don't like to use the word "dates" since I haven't really been on many in the last year or so, random fvcking seems to happen without even needing them, and I don't give a sh!t about being in a relationship at present.
The only exception for me has been chicks from work - 2 of them it was several weeks of gradual escalation by e-mail / text while I reeled her in (mainly to ensure that I didn't go too far ahead of her to avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit). The other I fvcked in the sick room 2 days after she first e-mailed me.
You need to make sure you plan logistics to get here back to yours or her place by the second date latest (if you don't, you need to work on logistics or she justisn't interested). Then it will either happen or it won't.
If it doesn't, then one more date (the 3rd one) gives her one more chance to prove herself (i.e. a 2 strikes rule for banging her).
You may occasionally (if you are short on options, or don't plan your logistics properly) exceed the 3 date rule, but only in extreme circumstances.
As an example, I cast my mind back to the last 10 girls I banged (excluding at work), and these are the results:
* 7 - I banged the first time I met her.
* 3 - I banged the second time I saw her (only one of which the first time we met was an actual date).
What this highlights is that attraction is not a choice. If a girl is into you and you plan logistics properly, it will generally happen pretty quick.
Whereas if a girl is NOT into you, seeing her more time or taking her out on more dates will generally achieve nothing.
Depends on the girl and what you're after. If you just want to fvck her, then you won't want to be chasing her for months. But if you're looking for a relationship, then I think it's a very good sign if she makes you wait for sex. It shows she has some class and won't just jump into bed with any guy.
European-DJ
Master Don Juan
Thanks to all of your for the answers.
- I seem to get stuck with girls, sometime there is 5-8 meetings before i bed them, why?
Because i am always surtain that "the next time will be it".
- I seem to get stuck with girls, sometime there is 5-8 meetings before i bed them, why?
Because i am always surtain that "the next time will be it".
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Equilibrium
Don Juan
I think it varies from girl to girl, but you need to watch out you're not investing in someone too much without reciprocation. 3 is a good standard, but I think that if a girl is getting real close with you and you can tell she wants to have sex but is holding back out of legitamite and very real religious beliefs then you can cut her some slack. Then again you have to be sure those beliefs are for real, because she might have nailed some guy at a foam party in Cancun 30 minutes after meeting him (yeah yeah, I read too much Rollo) and she's just using this excuse on you. If a girl tells me she's a virgin, I am willing to wait a lot longer but at the same time I will not commit to her unless I know the relationship can go somewhere fast. And that's never happened.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Put it this way, with just average Game, in 3 dates you should be able to determine if her desire level is high enough to want to ƒuck you.
In 3 dates you'll know if her desire is genuine or if it's mitigated by something else – another guy in rotation, sexual hangups, filibustering, etc.
In 3 dates you'll have had sex or you'll have had the "I wanna wait / I need to be comfortable talk."
If you have sex on the 1st date or a SNL, she's really hot for, and into, ƒucking you based on physical criteria alone.
If you have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date, she's into ƒucking you and probably wants a relationship because she wanted to give you a token impression of her not being 'easy'.
If she ƒucks you after the 4th date, you'll do as her first alternate.
If you're sexless after 5-6 dates you've probably been at it for over 6 weeks and The Medium is the Message. NEXT.
In 3 dates you'll know if her desire is genuine or if it's mitigated by something else – another guy in rotation, sexual hangups, filibustering, etc.
In 3 dates you'll have had sex or you'll have had the "I wanna wait / I need to be comfortable talk."
If you have sex on the 1st date or a SNL, she's really hot for, and into, ƒucking you based on physical criteria alone.
If you have sex on the 2nd or 3rd date, she's into ƒucking you and probably wants a relationship because she wanted to give you a token impression of her not being 'easy'.
If she ƒucks you after the 4th date, you'll do as her first alternate.
If you're sexless after 5-6 dates you've probably been at it for over 6 weeks and The Medium is the Message. NEXT.