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I had met a very attractive girl from Pakistan about a month ago at a network event. She is divorced with a kid. Her ex is muslim and they were arranged. She considers herself as a liberal Muslim, but none the less she is still muslim. She prays 5 times a day (or tries to), fasts during Ramadan etc.. Well long story short, I got her to meet up with me for what I thought was going to drinks. Turns out she doesn't drink either, barely let me make contact with her (I tried to hug her and she pulled her body away from me and tapped my back). I nexted her..I'm not sure of that. India has moved away to some degree from arranged marriages and they still do not have anywhere near the level of soft porn we have here on tv.
Des I responded in BOLD in the quote above. Good stuff btw man.I'm guessing you meant 25-35. I didn't say these men were high value, I said that these men are willing to marry. A guy who's single past 35 is obviously going to be more resistant to getting married quickly.
Yes 25-35. Thank you for clarifying, I agree.
No. Age is only a disqualifier if the woman sees the man as unattractive. At that point, age is only an excuse used to avoid dating him, because the real reason is that he's not interesting, confident, well established, or doesn't take care of himself.
If a woman is interested in dating an older man, then age becomes "nothing but a number".
Society's opinion and influence can go both ways. Some will say age is just a number, and others will say that an age gap of over 10 years is "disgusting" and "gross". A woman will take the opinion that suits how she feels about the man in question.
This is where I potentially disagree or need more empiricial data to come to a conclusion. I find that many women are influenced.. influenced by their friends, family etc... I think once you get into her heart (to use an AFC woman term) then you trump any outside influence. However getting to a woman's heart requires some time and effort. If you start engaging a woman and she knows the big age gap right away and then hears negatives from her friends and/or family she may backwards rationalize her interest in you. Do you disgaree?
You're implying too much logic when it comes to women. I firmly believe that a man can make a girl break her Christian vow of celibacy if he's good enough of a seductionist. I've never done it, but I could see it working. The man has to have total self-control over his sexuality. He could easily tear down her barriers one at a time by pushing just a bit further each time they become "intimate". However, she may feel guilty after losing her virginity. He would have to be prepared to do damage control afterwards.
The idea of waiting for marriage to have sex is IMO not the worst thing that could happen. If the woman isn't a rotten bytch and is well-behaved, I could see it being fine. If the man is NOT a virgin and has good self-control over his sexuality, then I could see it working as well. For a man who's desperate for sex, he will get tired of waiting for her to give up her pvssy. For a man who's a virgin, he's basically in the same boat as her. It is possible to be a confident virgin, although peer pressure can ruin a man's self-perception. Society frowns upon men who are virgins and implies that they haven't lived up to their manhood.
I agree here however as someone who is NOT a virgin and am used to having intimate physical relationships with women, I would find a woman who I'm invested in a relationship to not be paying dividends if she withholds sex. I'm willing to wait a while if the woman is a virgin or has some other sexual issue (I was with a woman who was raped before) but sex has got to happen man.
I guess the short of what I'm saying is that I don't know that it's worth the investment. Believe me I think slvts with high partner counts are worse but only in the sense of whether it's worse to freeze to death or burn to death kind of scenario. The women from these strict cultures would have other values that may conflict with that of westerners like you and me. Do you agree?
So yes, I can see abstinence before marriage working, but the conditions have to be favourable.
I find that many women are influenced.. influenced by their friends, family etc... I think once you get into her heart (to use an AFC woman term) then you trump any outside influence. However getting to a woman's heart requires some time and effort. If you start engaging a woman and she knows the big age gap right away and then hears negatives from her friends and/or family she may backwards rationalize her interest in you. Do you disgaree?
I've seen this term alpha widow used before but haven't read enough content to know what it means. So it means that girls that are super into you where you have a high score their list they will actually rationalize over their feelings and not be with you? So we are saying that women can in fact reason over their emotions?Yes, I agree 100%. Friends and family can be the ones who ruin the relationship. She may feel great when she's with the man, but she doesn't feel great when she's around the friends or family who tell her that she shouldn't be with a man who's too old for her. It can go two ways. If she has the ability to stand up for herself and tell everyone to stop dictating how to run her life, then the relationship may have a chance to succeed. If she doesn't stand up for herself, then all the negative feelings directed at you are going to take over. She'll be tired of having her family make her feel bad, and decide that the best way to stop it from happening is to get rid of you.
This can backfire badly if you're at the top of her HSL. She will essentially make herself an alpha-widow by killing you.
You're saying that men are devalued for having a high partner count or did you mean the opposite?The c0ck carousel devalues men as far as women are concerned. It also devalues themselves.
Given the increased risks of divorce with a higher notch count, it makes sense to want to marry a virgin.
The term "Alpha-Widow" existed before I came up with HST. Both of them are very much tied together, although I'm not quite fond of the term and the usage of the word "Alpha". It doesn't really have anything to do with being alpha. It's more about the emotional imprint the man has made on the woman.I've seen this term alpha widow used before but haven't read enough content to know what it means. So it means that girls that are super into you where you have a high score their list they will actually rationalize over their feelings and not be with you? So we are saying that women can in fact reason over their emotions?
I don't think 27 is rough. I believe that 27 is the beginning of the end.You think 27 is rough wait till they are 29 and nearing 30
That may explain why I haven't dated any women who are right around 30 years old. They're usually a few years older or a few years younger.I would rather walk into a bear's den then an irrational crazy npd hitting 30
The sweetest, most genuine, caring , loving and decent girl I ever dated was 36 and turned 37 while I dated her. She had a little kid, guy was way gone, she was fantastic in every way, she was around when I lost my father and only tog for about 4 months was very very helpful to me and my family in many ways. However, her kid was a bit whiney, which I could do prob as kids grow quickly, but what turned me off from her was that she lived with like 6 guys before . I just thought, wtf, can you date someone without living with them....I just couldnt do it, kinda weird. she remains a good friend though to this day, I would do anything to help her if she needed me and vice versa..............Oh, and she did have 200 selfies on her fb account, she was very very pretty, face about an 8.5 and body 7, but that was just too telling for me...........However my last gf is a npd and had only a few selfies on fb, like 5 in 7 years, but she is a crazy fukn raging psycho when not being fun and enjoyable............which is every other day, so who knows, how the fuccck you read these damn womenI don't think 27 is rough. I believe that 27 is the beginning of the end.
That may explain why I haven't dated any women who are right around 30 years old. They're usually a few years older or a few years younger.
My ex almost 30 and boy did she gain 20lb this past year.The drop off from age 27 to 30 is devastating!
I see it all the time
Some girls can keep the youthful look of college until 27 (at best), but then they decline quickly (especially if party alot).
After 27, girls enter a stage of womanhood in which they can be attractive (think MILF) if take care of themselves... but after 27 there is no chance of competing with younger women.
I would say reframe Des and you wording of ''baby defect'' .... I think he means the pregnancy effect on the body are more ''permanent or harder to remove'' when you hit the 30's for woman.The birth defect comment surprised me. My gyno never impressioned on me that birth defects go up drastically in your thirties (b/c they don't) as a female we are advised that the chance of downs syndrome escalates at 40.
Females are the most fertile, with the best quality eggs in their 20s, but that has no physiological affect on them - meaning they feel no compulsion to take advantage of those high quality eggs.
The rate of birth defects does go up from your 20s to 30s to 40s, but not exponentially. It's literally moving from 1 in 800 to 1 in 740 ( something along those lines)
I am surprised at the "fact declarations" made on these boards that need to be fact checked.
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I agree with just about everything you said but, look at this forum or just about 99% of forums with respect to women? You got cucks playing house with women on the tail end of their 20s. Some dude posted a thread about a hot 29 year old? Sure. Smash her but, don't talk house and cereal relations. This is disgusting. The same girl in her best years would have game him no mind. Karma is a *****.These are all the reasons why I refer to age 27 as the "age of expiry". It is truly the age where a woman's shelf life had ended, and she gets placed in the discount bin. She's too old to attract a "good man", and she's too young to give up on parenthood. Many women in this age group make it their new mission to be "strong and independent" and find a sperm donor so they can become a single mom, or they find Mr. Good Enough to marry, and then take his money and children when he's no longer useful as a sperm donor.
One of my mates who is blue pilled tried to tell me that he thought 26 was a good age. I ran it back and said 24 is pushing it. LULz.Ever run into an old flame and think "what was I thinking" or "she's really aged poorly"
This happened to me a few times recently and I remembered this thread.
The decline for girls from age 27 to 31 is monumental
This is especially true if they party/don't exercise enough. A woman can age gracefully if she eats clean, rarely drinks, exercises, plenty sleep, low stress, etc... typical of married, classy, rich women. But most of the hot/single girls at 27 are used to partying and unlikely to change their ways.
It's a sad trick because girls are used to eating whatever they want and staying skinny from age 0-25, then somewhere around 26 their metabolism slows. The alcohol also adds to the fat/soft with calories from drinking/partying. With partying, goes a lack of exercise. Etc Etc
Not for me, but I do look/see other women MUCH younger than me and think what the FVCK?!