"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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When a woman isn't busy, she will use her free time to create drama

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There are so many bad stories and personal experiences of "Ideal hands become the work of the devil"

Women need drama. It's better for her to hate her co-workers than to hate you. If they aren't busy they will find ways to create all sorts of unnecessary drama.
I've seen it with my sister in laws before and now first hand with my wife.

So if your girlfriend or wife quits her job.. or takes a break from school etc.. Expect problems.

Be happy if she is very busy. She may have a little less time for you but that time will be higher quality.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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There are so many bad stories and personal experiences of "Ideal hands become the work of the devil"

Women need drama. It's better for her to hate her co-workers than to hate you. If they aren't busy they will find ways to create all sorts of unnecessary drama.
I've seen it with my sister in laws before and now first hand with my wife.

So if your girlfriend or wife quits her job.. or takes a break from school etc.. Expect problems.

Be happy if she is very busy. She may have a little less time for you but that time will be higher quality.
To be fair, not all women are always like that. Whenever my ex-wife had a less busy period in her work, she would always start working on all the little, non-urgent tasks that build up in the background. One of my current lovers is like that too: she starts working on her 130-item to-do list. Which is more than I can say for myself.

However, I have also known other women who, whenever there is emotional calm in any situation, have to introduce some form of chaos and drama just to feel alive and noticed. That gets tiresome very quickly.

I think it has to do with how well-formed their personalities became during childhood: that determines whether they find themselves at home in peace or chaos.
 

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There are so many bad stories and personal experiences of "Ideal hands become the work of the devil"

Women need drama. It's better for her to hate her co-workers than to hate you. If they aren't busy they will find ways to create all sorts of unnecessary drama.
I've seen it with my sister in laws before and now first hand with my wife.

So if your girlfriend or wife quits her job.. or takes a break from school etc.. Expect problems.

Be happy if she is very busy. She may have a little less time for you but that time will be higher quality.
That's why usually women tend to lean/go for "bad boys". Check it out:



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I think it's a fairly safe bet that they need drama. I don't think many men have ever watched Grey's anatomy or this is us.

The more stable woman who are better relationship material get their drama in healthier ways. My Asian girlfriend seems to have a bit of gentle competition with her WeChat friends. Seems to be a more domestic version of Instagram. They show pictures of the kids doing cute things and what they are cooking their man for dinner. And they watch Chinese and Korean dramas obsessively. It's ****en great they seem self entertaining. They also are very on board with team us and are happy to help with projects that improve the nest. You are a man you do have projects right!

Of course if you live in the media and selfie obsessed US of A I have no idea where you go to find a good woman. It's interesting because the USA is still a great power. So there must be plenty of smart and solid people there. How the heck they get anything done carrying the legions of parasites and sh1ttalkers is a mystery to me.
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Sometimes they do it because they feel they are being neglected.

Assuming this is false and that they are paid attention, it means you have to check their unacceptable behavior. If she is mentally sick then it doesn't really matter what you do and you are better off getting rid of her. Better to end things instead of living a lie.
 

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Trashy women from broken homes need drama.
This...... I’ve always been very selective with the girls I dated. 98 percent of my long term relationships were with girls that had awesome families, were into sports or athletics in high school and college.. and have solid jobs. Unfortunately... due to my own immaturity I often found them boring after awhile and would end these relationships. There was never any drama... and they all went on to marry.. and appear to be living a good life! If you pick up the girl at the bar... grinding on every dude.. you can bet your in for a roller coaster ride!
 

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This...... I’ve always been very selective with the girls I dated. 98 percent of my long term relationships were with girls that had awesome families, were into sports or athletics in high school and college.. and have solid jobs. Unfortunately... due to my own immaturity I often found them boring after awhile and would end these relationships. There was never any drama... and they all went on to marry.. and appear to be living a good life! If you pick up the girl at the bar... grinding on every dude.. you can bet your in for a roller coaster ride!
I can relate. Hence why I'm still single, never married. I still go through my phases of enjoying the companionship of a woman and a relationship to wanting to temporarily date that slutty chick who impresses everyone with her mechanical bull riding ability at the bar.
 

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This...... I’ve always been very selective with the girls I dated. 98 percent of my long term relationships were with girls that had awesome families, were into sports or athletics in high school and college.. and have solid jobs. Unfortunately... due to my own immaturity I often found them boring after awhile and would end these relationships. There was never any drama... and they all went on to marry.. and appear to be living a good life! If you pick up the girl at the bar... grinding on every dude.. you can bet your in for a roller coaster ride!
It takes a lot of maturity to admit that we let go of a few good girls. Most women will never admit that they let go of scores of decent men.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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From my experience, women would always create drama, regardless of their status of occupation (of course it's more likely they'll create more drama than usual being too available).

In short: It's their job to create drama, but it's our job to tolerate it or not (and to what extent).
 

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Women will create drama because that's what women like. I partially agree with @samspade that a good frame will likely reduce drama but it can't fully eliminate it.

Most women will never admit that they let go of scores of decent men.
It is astounding the number of decent men most women reject. Most women aren't even aware of how many decent men that they send to the reject bin based on not feeling "all the butterflies" in one moment. The fussiness is unreal.
 

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Women will create drama because that's what women like. I partially agree with @samspade that a good frame will likely reduce drama but it can't fully eliminate it.



It is astounding the number of decent men most women reject. Most women aren't even aware of how many decent men that they send to the reject bin based on not feeling "all the butterflies" in one moment. The fussiness is unreal.
I don't know: I have rejected plenty of decent and wonderful women simply because they haven't given me the "****-butterflies" I wanted.

There is simply no point in latching onto someone when there isn't sufficient attraction there.
 

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I have rejected plenty of decent and wonderful women simply because they haven't given me the "****-butterflies" I wanted.
I think this is a problem with both men and women. Everyone today wants everything perfect now. No one is willing to put in the effort. A lot of people are just spoiled brats. Unrealistic expectations.

I don't know if you meant it this way, but it sounds like the nice guy's lament. I wouldn't want some woman trying to rationalize being with me because I'm "decent," if she's not attracted. That's the kind of dynamic that leads to drama.
I didn't mean it that way. However, I think actual nice guys have a legitimate point. I have been in there shoes. I was the nice guy in high school who got crapped on.

It is just pure statistics though. Cute/hot women have a higher rejection rate for their vaginas than Harvard or Yale has for their post graduate business or law schools.
 
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I think this is a problem with both men and women. Everyone today wants everything perfect now. No one is willing to put in the effort. A lot of people are just spoiled brats. Unrealistic expectations.



I didn't mean it that way. However, I think actual nice guys have a legitimate point. I have been in there shoes. I was the nice guy in high school who got crapped on.

It is just pure statistics though. Cute/hot women have a higher rejection rate for their vaginas than Harvard or Yale has for their post graduate business or law schools.
It is hard to see how you are not saying "men should give women they are not attracted to a chance".

No. You simply friendzone women you are not attracted to. Only women you are attracted to can become your lovers.

It is not about being a spoiled brat or having unrealistic expectations.

It is about not having sex with people you don't want to have sex with.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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