"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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When a girl asks "what are you doing?"

AlmostThere!

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as you're trying to initiate kino and escalate to sex, how do you respond?

I pussied out the other day when a chick asked me this. We were watching a movie in her bedroom and I started to explore her body with my hands when I was hit with the question.

Now, I know you pay more attention to a females actions and not her words. A girl doesn't invite a guy into her bedroom not expecting something sexual happening.

So, what should have been a alpha response?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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It happened a few times to me as well. I'm 25 and when I was 23 I was dating a chick who was 3 years older than me.

On the FIRST DAY we met, I remember when she invited me to her place @ 1AM! and On top of that she brought me into her room and started bringing out kama sutra books. I took that as a sign that she wanted to mess around. When I went in for the first kiss she denied me. 2 weeks later we ended up having sex.

So for your question - "what would an alpha do?"

First of all I have a question for you. You said you "were exploring her body". Does that mean you grabbed a breast, or going in for a private area? Or were you simple just caressing her back?

Kino is the ultimate test on if shes interested in you, HOWEVER she may also playing mind games to see if you would be awkward or to see how YOU would respond.

My answer to you - From my own experience, Kino only fails if you make the touchy feeling awkward. An alpha/ladies man would make her feel comfortable; make her laugh and don't take the situation too seriously. If I was in your position I'd make fun of things that were in the movie, and make it relate to her. And when shes laughing you can initiate Kino.
 

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We actually had sex before which makes the situation more ?????, but only like every two times we hang out.

I had my hand on the back of her neck and playing with her ear throughout the movie. But when the movie went off and she was crouched taking it out (wearing some cute night shorts), I pulled down them down a bit from the back and that's when she asked the question.

It wasn't really the question, just the vibe I got she didn't want to mess around.
 

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King Turi said:
Probably didn't want to be analled.
Ha, I laughed.

A lot of time women say something when you're making moves on them just to give the impression that they aren't a sl*t. In their mind, they believe a ***** wouldn't say anything and just allow a man to do things to them.

So they logically act like they are not a *****, even though they are wanting to be one. It's typically a sh!t test that you can easily shake off.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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AlmostThere! said:
as you're trying to initiate kino and escalate to sex, how do you respond?

I pussied out the other day when a chick asked me this. We were watching a movie in her bedroom and I started to explore her body with my hands when I was hit with the question.

Now, I know you pay more attention to a females actions and not her words. A girl doesn't invite a guy into her bedroom not expecting something sexual happening.

So, what should have been a alpha response?
"What you don't know won't hurt you"

"It's hard to explain, just take notes and we'll discuss it afterwards"

"I'm trying to find the Z-spot everyone's been talking about"

"I lost a contact"

Comon, do I have to come over and take her down myself?
 

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Other possibles:
Enjoying you
Trying to see how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop
Getting turn on
Letting my fingers do the walking
Exploring you like Louis and Clark
Practicing reading in Braill
Mapping out tomorrow's hike


Which is best depends on the girls personality, your history and the current mood
 

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That was an invitation sh1t test.

You take charge, you show her who's in control, only if she says back off do you back off and apologise, then you go for it again in a playful way.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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"what are you doing?"

You.

I think that's the best answer, although personally I like:

Negotiating the release of 8 million hostages
 

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King Turi said:
Probably didn't want to be analled.
hahah! i honestly think this might be true tho'.

i would've said "i want you. now" or some other decisive statement. let it be knowwwnn what u want homie.
 

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First off, she knows what you're doing, so yes it's a test to see how you'll deal with a little resistance.

Don-Kong said:
That was an invitation sh1t test.

You take charge, you show her who's in control, only if she says back off do you back off and apologise, then you go for it again in a playful way.
Well, I wouldn't apologize at all. Why would I be sorry for being a male and wanting to fool around? She knows the deal...guys want to get some....especially if they've been there before like the OP said.

OP like some of the other guys said, you should make a little joke about it. Coming up with things on the spot can be difficult so I would have something ready that feels natural just in case...but that's just me. Might not work for you.
 

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When the woman asks this, it's usually in a playful way. My response is usually something along the lines of "enjoying myself". If she's pulling away from you, then she's not enjoying it.
 

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Tell her you were just looking for the remote!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Haven't had this reaction in a while. Actually, had it just once. Now, in case it ever happens, I might try ignoring the question, perhaps look her in the eyes like a man out of his mind, then take it up a notch.
 
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