"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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when a chick says she is like a guy.

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Ever dated a girl that says she is like a dude? I mean they will sit there and think they are not drama queens or irational or needy or whatever but then in the end they think with there emotions still? They still wind up acting like a gorl in the long run
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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sosilky said:
Ever dated a girl that says she is like a dude? I mean they will sit there and think they are not drama queens or irational or needy or whatever but then in the end they think with there emotions still? They still wind up acting like a gorl in the long run
Yes they still act like girls. There use to be a poster on here that said that constantly that she thinks like a guy, yet she was the biggest AW and drama causing person ever.
 

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Just to be on the safe side I would check down her (or his) pants to make sure...this person might be trying to tell you shes literally a guy.
 

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What causes them to feel this way I wonder. If shes telling you that then she can't be all that ashamed of it, maybe even proud of the fact?

haha she admires and loves men so much she wishes to be just like them and not fit our sterotypical counterpart.
 

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MrNotebook said:
Just to be on the safe side I would check down her (or his) pants to make sure...this person might be trying to tell you shes literally a guy.

why do people have to waste my time with this crap?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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ketostix said:
Yes they still act like girls. There use to be a poster on here that said that constantly that she thinks like a guy, yet she was the biggest AW and drama causing person ever.
Geez, I must have some girl in me.... I can be quite a drama ***** myself:crackup: Maybe it's from hanging out at girly type websites?? (not this one)
 

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There are girls like that; at least where I live.

e.g. girls who just want to go out and have ONS or just want sex without the hassle of a boyfriend.

I totally got gamed by a girl like that because as much as I enjoyed the sex, I ended up wanting more but she didn't.
 

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AlanB said:
There are girls like that; at least where I live.

e.g. girls who just want to go out and have ONS or just want sex without the hassle of a boyfriend.

I totally got gamed by a girl like that because as much as I enjoyed the sex, I ended up wanting more but she didn't.
The ironic thing is anytime a girl says I'm like a man or xyz or I'm not like xyz you can pretty sure she pretty much the opposite to whatever she said.
 

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Yes, I have seen this too, and I usually have two problems with it.

1) The girls I've seen do this usually go out of their way to be more "guy like" with the logic being (I assume) that some guys will be attracted to girls who like girls that are more into manly stuff-sports, getting their hands dirty. It's almost like they go overboard trying to project this image, and it gets old. And as you noted, they usually still do their share of "chick" things when it comes to drama and the like.

2) In as much as it can be frustrating to try to understand the average woman, I don't want to date a dude. I am willing to accept some normal annoyances, like taking a little too long to get ready, or not wanting do a few guy things, not being into sports, etc-in the interest of having the girl be feminine. That's what your guy friends are for.
 

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Usually the type that says that are AW's.

Gotta avoid those types at all costs man.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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KontrollerX said:
Usually the type that says that are AW's.

Gotta avoid those types at all costs man.

good point as it is also usually the girl who has more guy friends then girlfriends because it is "less drama"
 
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If a women claims to be like a guy AND claims to hate other women because they're drama llamas, run like hell. In those cases, they're usually too insecure to be around other females and eliminate competition by men who will adore them unless they're totally repulsive.
 

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If a women claims to be like a guy AND claims to hate other women because they're drama llamas, run like hell. In those cases, they're usually too insecure to be around other females and eliminate competition by men who will adore them unless they're totally repulsive

Interesting. especialy seeing that this is you: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142606
 
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sosilky said:
If a women claims to be like a guy AND claims to hate other women because they're drama llamas, run like hell. In those cases, they're usually too insecure to be around other females and eliminate competition by men who will adore them unless they're totally repulsive

Interesting. especialy seeing that this is you: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142606


I do have many male friends, but I have pretty much an equal number of female friends too. I don't profile the sexes, prejudge, or get territorial. I've known other female friends of males, and I do run into the ones who will claim to hate other women because of drama. I can attest that they are bad for guys and girls alike. They won't give any other women a chance, and they get territorial over the guys. They're not above trying to sabotage friendships. Also, I find it very insulting that they'd be so hateful against their own gender.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I recall a Pook post making a statement associated with this such as there are people out there that believe Feminine men do better with Masculine women and Pook said it's a false assumption to believe that were so because girls today were the same type of girls of the yesteryear before modern technology or equal rights. Each girl is different and will intrepret romance or gestures of romance differently so you have to be observant. I highly recommend considering a 'cost vs benefit' analysis when getting into a relationship with a girl. It is rare to meet a woman that is more independently inclined than the rest. Especially if she's outgoing, more than often extroverts are needier than introverts.

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Ever dated a girl that says she is like a dude? I mean they will sit there and think they are not drama queens or irational or needy or whatever but then in the end they think with there emotions still? They still wind up acting like a gorl in the long run
 

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betterthandead said:
I recall a Pook post making a statement associated with this such as there are people out there that believe Feminine men do better with Masculine women and Pook said it's a false assumption to believe that were so because girls today were the same type of girls of the yesteryear before modern technology or equal rights. Each girl is different and will intrepret romance or gestures of romance differently so you have to be observant. I highly recommend considering a 'cost vs benefit' analysis when getting into a relationship with a girl. It is rare to meet a woman that is more independently inclined than the rest. Especially if she's outgoing, more than often extroverts are needier than introverts.

Very interesting post
 
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Most women don't know what it's really like to be treated like a guy. Women talk about feelings, and we need honest adoration and intimacy. There is nothing wrong with this. Unfortunately it's now considered by some women to be "uncool" to have feminine characteristics. Many do it in order to seek approval from males, hoping that it will make them seem low maintenance and attractive. When they find themselves being treated like guys, they miss the intimacy and attention. As much as I admire women breaking the old fashioned gender roles, I wish that women would realize that it's okay to have feminine characteristics. Heck, I have no shame in the fact that I played with dolls as a kid.
 
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Re: Sosilky

I have both male and female friends, I don't prejudge by gender, and I don't get territorial over male friends. I have been acquainted with other females with male friends, and I've found the ones who claim to prefer males to females because of drama and cattiness to be downright dangerous sometimes. They don't give other females a chance, no matter how drama-free and threat-free they are. They constantly claim that other females are catty, backstabbing, and jealous of them, and often take advantage of the instinctual male hero complex. They also aren't above sabotaging friendships between "their" guy friends and other female friends of the guy friends. While I admit that females have plenty wrong with them (I could write a book on men's faults too), there are plenty of enlightened, drama-free women in this world who make good friends. My female friends are tough, witty, compassionate, drama-free, loyal, and sensible. It hasn't been easy finding them, but the bad apples I've run into hasn't ruined my opinion of women and caused me to go AW at all the available guys. It also disgusts me that they act that way against their own gender.
 

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My female friends are tough, witty, compassionate, drama-free, loyal, and sensible. It hasn't been easy finding them, but the bad apples I've run into hasn't ruined my opinion of women and caused me to go AW at all the available guys. It also disgusts me that they act that way against their own gender.
I'm starting to think the girl i had in mind when i started this thread was an attention wh0re. I don't understand why she can't interact and have normal girlfriends like a normal girl. i begin to tackle that issue here : http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142616
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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