"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I thought yes meant yes, but I didn't realize it was this bad.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Afraid to hurt your feelings.

It's cowardly, but that's how it is. Would you rather have an assertive chick or a cowardly one who would say yes to everything you do?
 

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I think its stupid for women to give out their numbers but never follow up on it. You get their number send a few texts back and then she just stops responding. Why? Just don't give it out... you stupid b1tch

This is baffling to men. Men would never do such a thing. We are logical

On the other hand, a very large portion of men in this country need to gtfo because women have too many options which is the root cause of the flaking. Maybe if WW3 happens soon, we will become like russia and men will be in short supply because the rest died off in wars

Yup, it would literally take a world war for things to be fair in the dating scene for men
 

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Some of these chicks that flake on you -- I think you really have to ask yourself if you actually like them, or just the idea of them. The reason I say this is that you may be motivated by different things. You may not really deep-down feel some connection, but you still want to fk her. She may also not feel the connection, but isn't looking to fk you. So for her, flaking is easy. She doesn't need your sex and doesn't feel a connection. So she has no desire to waste time. She's likely got other plates. Plate theory is very powerful because you are not beholden to the allure of nailing this specific broad. In other words, where guys may try to force a connection hoping to get laid, she doesn't need to. Her phone is ringing.
 

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Johnnyventana said:
She may also not feel the connection, but isn't looking to fk you.
Well then now we are back to our original question-why give out the number in the first place if you have no interest?

You have to stop making excuses for women and admit that they are at fault for leading guys on. You don't like him? No connection? No attraction? Fine, but don't give out your number as if you actually are into him. It's bs and there's no excuse for it

You're past your 30's but when you were younger I'm sure you didn't have to deal with all this flaking. As a member of the younger generation I must tell you that flaking is the norm at this point. You can expect that MOST girls will give you their number, AGREE to go out with you, then make up an excuse to cancel. What young men must deal with today is a heavy heavy burden
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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its awkward saying no when someone asks for your number. if a guy that i have no interest hanging out with asks for my number to hang sometime ill give it to him just to get him off my case. i then proceed to ignore his texts until he gets the hint. i assume girls do this for the same reason.
 

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I'd rather be ignored than some woman say yes and lead me on
 

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What's up with girls and flaking

Bottom line. Options. They have more and so its easy
to change your mind a day later and say, meh, not
gonna bother with that guy. They know there is another
around the corner or already have plates spinning. If you
made enough of an impression, they wont flake that easy
but most of the time our interaction when getting a number
is average at best. You probably passed the initial test,
maybe she thought you were good looking, maybe good
personality, maybe your game was decent but the
impression wasn't that big a deal and so flaking was a
real possibility.

Options mainly.
 

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well how you suppose to make a good impression if you can't get a date?
 

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JPlaya said:
well how you suppose to make a good impression if you can't get a date?
You make the good impresssion before the number close, so she actually does want to see you again. Make her want to hang out with you, not the other way around. She should be asking you when your free to hang, not the other way around. She should be begging you to free up your busy life to spend 1 precious hour with her just getting coffee so she can try and impress you and prove she is worthy of your attention.

Now I know the above is a bit exaggerated, but it's that kind of attitude you want. A girl won't flake on a guy who she actually wants to hang out with, because you left such an impression on her when she met you she just can't stop thinking about you and wants to find out more.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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TIC said:
I think its stupid for women to give out their numbers but never follow up on it. You get their number send a few texts back and then she just stops responding. Why? Just don't give it out... you stupid b1tch

This is baffling to men. Men would never do such a thing. We are logical

On the other hand, a very large portion of men in this country need to gtfo because women have too many options which is the root cause of the flaking. Maybe if WW3 happens soon, we will become like russia and men will be in short supply because the rest died off in wars

Yup, it would literally take a world war for things to be fair in the dating scene for men
Another thing for me, that's pretty much in the same vein, is when girls say OMG WE NEED TO HANG OUT

then you offer a couple dates and the excitement withers down. Man TIC that is a depressing thought, but I agree with you
 

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JPlaya said:
well how you suppose to make a good impression if you can't get a date?
In all honesty, its really hard to make that good of an impression in a bar/club setting. You simply don't have the time or any kind of common bond other than drinking. Flake rates from bars are ALWAYS going to be sky high no matter what. For a lot of people its the only way to meet girls which is fine but you just simply need to accept that its a numbers game and you'll always have a low success rate getting numbers at bars.

If its a different setting its better, like some kind of hobby you both are into or maybe someone you see often through work or maybe she lives near you or she is a friend of a friend or whatever. Point being you'll see her enough time and you'll be able to show her more of you and have more of an investment, then the flake rate will be a lot lower.

So, if you can chat her up over the course of a handful of days (but don't go beyond that) THEN ask for her number, you'll have decent success with follow up. If you're chatting for a half hour at a bar, you're flake rate will be through the roof.

IMO, setting up situations where you are spending time with girls (for reasons other than because you asked them out) is THE BEST way to hook up with a girl.

Close proximity + time investment + working on something together + flirting = success.
 

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No Tic, you don´t need www3. Men just need to learn to live without sex, raise their standards, and stop pursuing any girl they talk to. If men continue to behave like horny dogs, women control will continue. The less care bout sex, the more you´ll have.
 

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JdelaSilviera said:
No Tic, you don´t need www3. Men just need to learn to live without sex, raise their standards, and stop pursuing any girl they talk to. If men continue to behave like horny dogs, women control will continue. The less care bout sex, the more you´ll have.
Not all guys are lucky enough that they're born with game (or common sense), or reach epiphanys luck Sosuave and other sites; most are exposed to the BS of western America, treating women like Queens everywhere. It almost seems like a conspiracy to me; maybe I've got selective perception, but I notice many commercials about anything, usually involving a husband and wife where the wife is complaining about the husband being a loser, or it is subtly displayed in the sketch.

Generally I've found having your own amount of options, and truly not giving a **** about how you act (basically being a troll lol) puts you above other nice guys
 

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some of you guys are really over thinking this sh1t for real

Bottom line is that Girls, or people for that matter flake. And it is a sign of disinterest.

Peopel say yes to things all the time. it's hard to turn someone down to there face, so most people take the easy route and just flake before hand.

Not to mention girls/people's feelings change all the time. When they said yes they might have actually been revved up and ready to go, but when the time came to follow through they didn't feel like it any more.

If a chick doesn't want to hang out enough with you that she flakes and doesn't offer a counter date then forget her and move one to the next one. I follow the three strike rule. For some guys it's one strike, but I'm patient enough for three. if a chick flakes on you three times then she must not be digging you.The you either Make her sh1t or get off the pot

it's simply the nature of the beast. Have fun with it and don't take it too personal
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I mean one date won't kill you. If you're that picky and indecisive about a date than how are you going to find a husband. Now wonder divorce rates have sky rocketed. I blame the females.
 
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