Ringleader41
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I don't get it
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
what's up with all these girls dating skinny beta wimps
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
JohnChops
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they like the comfort of having a relationship and having someone they can control. They wouldnt drop him because they are comfortable but they would cheat on him in a second if they had the chance.
Shockwavedave
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News flash: you don't have to be muscular to get women!
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It all comes down to different strokes for different folks.
To you these men are skinny, beta wimps, so these women they're something pretty darn special.
Just leave people to their own devices and you be focused on yours.
To you these men are skinny, beta wimps, so these women they're something pretty darn special.
Just leave people to their own devices and you be focused on yours.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
i agree and understand were you coming from. its not totaly all about muscles i understand, but disregarding muscles i see plenty of good looking girls just with guys that dont look like there on her level at all. maybe the way they met, money, status who knows. and one thing if found out that attraction seems to work in some mysterious ways, its crazy, take a hot nice dressed white girl with a thug dresed black guy for ex. that i dont see how she is attracted to the guy?
women want to fvck muscular guys who can bang hard and cvm on their faces
they want to date skinny faggots with lots of money they can push around and who will carry their bags in the mall.
chicks know muscle dudes rarely have big $$ so they will fvck them on their lunch breaks while texting their skinny dude.
thats how it works
they want to date skinny faggots with lots of money they can push around and who will carry their bags in the mall.
chicks know muscle dudes rarely have big $$ so they will fvck them on their lunch breaks while texting their skinny dude.
thats how it works
What's with this stupid dichotomy of muscular vs. skinny. I'm neither muscular nor skinny and I'm muscular and skinny at the same time. Most guys probably fall somewhere in between like where I am. Girls are attracted to masculinity. Masculinity encompasses something MUCH broader than having muscles. Sure muscles are masculine but so is so many other things.
I'm willing to bet these beta/skinny/wimps you are referring to are masculine in many other ways than being muscular. Why do I say this? Because they are fvcking these girls and you are not.
I'm willing to bet these beta/skinny/wimps you are referring to are masculine in many other ways than being muscular. Why do I say this? Because they are fvcking these girls and you are not.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
marmel75
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Well, there could actually be some scientific reasoning behind this...apparently each generation has less and less testosterone produced compared to 100 years ago...currently we have only about 80% of the testosterone on average that our grandfathers had, mainly due to the prevelance of xenoestrogens, pesticides, diet and various other things taking their toll on its production. This leads to something known as "estrogen dominance" where guys have too much estrogen in their systems. This is actually becoming "the norm", so perhaps girls don't have a lot of choice since its becoming more and more prevalent...an estrogenified male = AFC, perhaps not all of his own making---hormones are extremely strong controllers of behavior(see roid rage)...
zekko
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Pfft. Pook decided to take up weightlifting, so now half the forum thinks you need to be a musclehead to get laid. FAIL.
Besides, I've seen the pictures guys post here, and half the guys who say they are "jacked" really aren't.
Besides, I've seen the pictures guys post here, and half the guys who say they are "jacked" really aren't.
Totally agree. Sometimes I wonder if I'm living on another planet as some of these guys. Maybe that's the way it rolls in the trailer park or something. Personally, I avoid scuzzy girls like the plague.okyoureabeast said:
To me, it's all pretty funny.
Lots of young men adore women. Sure, of course. But they make the mistake of trying to make themselves into what they adore. They try to get a female figure: two big bumps on the thorax, and rolls of bumps on the abdomen. They shave their chests and even underarms to look more like the only women they've ever seen naked: porn models. Even worse are the horny guys who walk down the boardwalk or stroll in the park, and keep pulling up or removing their shirts over and over, putting them back on just to remove them again, teasing by pulling them up just a little, and rubbing their bodies like a pole dancer.
If you want to know what an athlete looks like, google "Johnny Weissmuller." He won Olympic gold for swimming, he introduced the African crawl into freestyle competition, he became a movie star -- he was the definitive movie Tarzan, and that memorable Tarzan jungle call was his own invention. He had large pectoral muscles compared to most men of his time, but they were nothing compared to body builders some decades later.
A fit build, even an athletic build, doesn't really show on a man wearing a suit. (I'm not talking about those metro tight clothes that are not comfortable and not practical therefore not manly.) Men's clothes are designed to present the face to the world -- not to showcase the figure as do women's clothes. Really, just being fit, and not having a beer belly, keeps your body being the standard man shape that women crave.
Lots of young men adore women. Sure, of course. But they make the mistake of trying to make themselves into what they adore. They try to get a female figure: two big bumps on the thorax, and rolls of bumps on the abdomen. They shave their chests and even underarms to look more like the only women they've ever seen naked: porn models. Even worse are the horny guys who walk down the boardwalk or stroll in the park, and keep pulling up or removing their shirts over and over, putting them back on just to remove them again, teasing by pulling them up just a little, and rubbing their bodies like a pole dancer.
If you want to know what an athlete looks like, google "Johnny Weissmuller." He won Olympic gold for swimming, he introduced the African crawl into freestyle competition, he became a movie star -- he was the definitive movie Tarzan, and that memorable Tarzan jungle call was his own invention. He had large pectoral muscles compared to most men of his time, but they were nothing compared to body builders some decades later.
A fit build, even an athletic build, doesn't really show on a man wearing a suit. (I'm not talking about those metro tight clothes that are not comfortable and not practical therefore not manly.) Men's clothes are designed to present the face to the world -- not to showcase the figure as do women's clothes. Really, just being fit, and not having a beer belly, keeps your body being the standard man shape that women crave.
iqqi
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Because hipster is in.
Duh.
Duh.
Iceberg
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And I'm in the top .05% in school spirit.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Mike32ct
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Just going by looks, height and hair can trump muscles when it comes to some women.
A skinny yet TALL pretty boy with THICK shaggy/messy or spiky hair can pull some serious a$s.
Nothing is wrong with muscles, but it's not the only way.
A skinny yet TALL pretty boy with THICK shaggy/messy or spiky hair can pull some serious a$s.
Nothing is wrong with muscles, but it's not the only way.
It's probably because those guys are lean.
Girls just want definition, not bulk.
Don't confuse chubby with big. Adding 20 lb of fat is never good, even if you have football player statistics, you aren't 8% body fat like they are.
Girls just want definition, not bulk.
Don't confuse chubby with big. Adding 20 lb of fat is never good, even if you have football player statistics, you aren't 8% body fat like they are.
Iceberg
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Well the reality is, you can walk around any city and see a bunch of dudes with girls on their arm.bigneil said:
Sosuave makes it sound like you have to be 6'5" and 220 lbs of muscle in order to get women. We gotta realize that outside of our online environment here, there's a whole world full of dudes who are f**king girls without worrying about their height or body fat%.
A good looking skinny guy with game is stil a good looking guy with game.
6'5" 240 sounds better than 6'5" 205, but girls say I look a lot better when I'm the latter. I think it's mainly that the weight or leanness shows in our jaw line. Girls can probably tell our body fat even if we have a suit on, the same way makeup on a woman doesn't (always) fool us.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.