She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013Great idea. Also, IMO users should need 10 likes (or so) and then they can create a thread versus respond to a thread.
I've been here 11 years now and I never saw a major change. If anything it's better now, because the forum went from seemingly leaning toward Hillary for awhile to being IMO strongly Pro Trump. It's also nice to see how we respect female members but also put them in their places.
The PUA community was a natural response to the unnatural forces of Feminism. This forum is essentially the opposite of Feminism, and men can learn about the three most important things: health, finance and relationships. It's 10 times better than Facebook.
Raise your hand if you are MGTOW.The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Add in the fact that if you believe what everybody says, most of the guys on here are 8's or above in the looks department.Let's not bullsh!t ourselves. Sosuave is a site for guys who can't get girls. Therefore, if you can get a sense of the collective mindset here....the attitudes and viewpoints that are the most commonly held.......well then you just invented the formula for pvssy repellent.
Look is manageable.I love this site! Over the years it has been a blessing to me. I do believe that there comes a point where your life moves on & this site is no longer a part of it.
For some posters that will be 6 months. For others (like me.) they are here far longer.
The biggest problem with this site is a focus on the external (Money, status & looks etc.) rather than then internal underpinning issues. I would love to see more posters open up & talk about there issues.
Or what about a guy working a job he hates to give money to a woman who took advantage of him?MGTOW should become a symbol of a man with a sulking face, arms folded.
I thought it was about becoming the ultimate alpha male sitting at the top of the heap of all the other battered, bloodied males you had vanquished!I thought this forum was less about PUA but more about being a generally good man with the ladies, and building a better life.
Like this?MGTOW should become a symbol of a man with a sulking face, arms folded.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
This is how I see the resulting MGTOW movement... Seduction movements (Ross Jeffries, Mystery Method, RSD, and even Sosuave) have done their job in making men better at seducing women. We now have extremely effective tools at our disposal to flip the attraction switches inside a woman. We can get laid easier than ever without resorting to rape or paying for a prostitute. We actually have the tools to make ourselves desirable to the point where we can choose almost any woman we desire to make ours.All the guys who knew their shyt left, and all of a sudden these "MGTOW 4 life" guys came around, a website that use to be about self-improvement and seduction now became a playground for guys to cry, be bitter and moan about the type of girls they couldn't get it.
I agree 100%. This forum has been progressive with the latest happenings in the dating world.Back to the subject matter, I think that any forum of this nature is going to morph continually, as societal changes and perceptions occur. It's a pretty good mirror of the state of affairs out there. I would be less inclined to blame the forum, which is only a reflection, and be more inclined look at that which is being reflected.
The PUA Community exploded into mainstream, made it's money, and then the ashes settled. The information is still useful, but it's no longer mainstream.The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013
Yeah, the board got worse in 2004 too. And in 2014. It's always getting worse. It must be really bad right now. Men probably aren't getting laid anymore from the information on Sosuave because it's so bad here.The board seems to keep getting worse. Instead of discussing actual seduction/game, most threads are guys complaining and whining. They want to complain about how they cant get white girls, the market is horrible, women are so evil, etc.
It's not often I see someone who's been around longer than me on here and remembers how things were back in 2001. You had to wait HOURS before getting a response to your post. There weren't that many members here. I always find it amazing how this site attracted so many good, strong, informative men back in the early days. Where the hell did they all come from? What brought them here?But there is a benefit to that as well. The site is reaching more men than it ever has before. That's a good thing. Guys can get help almost immediately. That's a good thing too. Back when I first found SS, even those golden, DJ Bible type threads had gaps of days, weeks or longer between posts. Guys would have to wait a long time to get responses to questions. The quality was better overall, but it was SLOW AS FVCK.
I agree with most of your posts, but I'm surprised to hear you calling women derogatory names. Calling women names makes them seem stronger and us seem weaker.Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love women. They're pretty, they smell nice, they have smooth skin, great hair, they like doing thoughtful things, but you're correct... Most of them are not monogamous. You continuously blow your load in them until they start to piss you off, and then you throw them away. To put it bluntly, she's a cvm dumpster. She's not worth procreating with, so your sperm goes to waste.I agree with most of your posts, but I'm surprised to hear you calling women derogatory names.
Des I got great respect for you. you know that but most MGTOW I see are not "Winners"This is how I see the resulting MGTOW movement... Seduction movements (Ross Jeffries, Mystery Method, RSD, and even Sosuave) have done their job in making men better at seducing women. We now have extremely effective tools at our disposal to flip the attraction switches inside a woman. We can get laid easier than ever without resorting to rape or paying for a prostitute. We actually have the tools to make ourselves desirable to the point where we can choose almost any woman we desire to make ours.
Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.
Yes, there are men who are going to bytch and whine that they can't get women and so they become MGTOW, but what about the men who have done the work? They're finding themselves no better off. Tenacity is a great example. He's gone out and fvcked the women he wanted, but has to repeatedly throw them away because they're pieces of 5hit. Men who should be procreating to keep the human race strong are not bothering because they can't find anybody worth procreating with. Add in the fact that the law will favour the pregnant slvtty wh0re and order the male to give her child support payments. Men are going to opt out. What quality man in their right fvcking mind is going to go along with that?
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Well, unless you are in an exclusive relationship, you can't really expect her to be monogamous anyway. However, if you ARE in an exclusive relationship, you can most certainly expect it (and hopefully you will have screened well enough to get it).I'm not hot enough to disqualify my dream girls for not being 100% monogamous.
I think the day we believe this is a sad day. Even though the reality might be that the mass of women today behave badly [and so do the men], we still have the ideal in mind... and that there might be a few that rise toward this above the mass.Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.
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My point was that both the men who have a good skill set for seducing women and the men who have no hope in hell of getting laid both end up in the same situation... They BOTH end up without a good woman by their side.Des I got great respect for you. you know that but most MGTOW I see are not "Winners"
...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.It's about hope [not delusion]. Without it, your life becomes impoverished.
Tenacity, is that you?...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.
I've always said that me and Tenacity have similar views on this subject. The difference between us is that I'm more interested in trying to find a solution that will work for me.Tenacity, is that you?
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.