What's the one thing that disappoints you about this board (from a thread/posting pov)

[zekko]

I've always said that me and Tenacity have similar views on this subject. The difference between us is that I'm more interested in trying to find a solution that will work for me.

I'm sure he's interested, but he seemed to have some inner issues holding him back, as most of us probably do.

The more I hear everybody ranting about today's trashy women, the more I think I'm better off in my LTR.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I hear everybody ranting about today's trashy women.

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

Yep, we live in a decadent age.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

That's another mass misconception of sosuave. It's not that women are trashy. People are trashy. The failings of women are one half of the story of the failing of humankind. But you only see it in one gender, because that is who you are trying to date. Women do the same thing, thinking men are this way or that way, but it's people, not men.

Humans will always disappoint you. But neither gender deserves a greater share of the blame.

Okay so males are just as bad as females... I suppose that realization could change the way I think.

But how does knowing that help me get laid? So it's not FEMALES that are bad, it's just PEOPLE. Does this include me? Well I am pretty selfish, but aren't I expected to be? Isn't that normal human behavior?

Prior to feminism.... people lived in families that were probably Christian and they were all repressed. That's not something I would want, either.

I feel like I am on the verge of finding some way to win this game. Other than just paying prostitutes. But maybe "winning" doesn't exist.

 

[Von]

My issues with this forum:

TOO MUCH RANT ABOUT THE MARKET, not enough discussion about self-improvements and understanding concepts (why this work and that don't or why I can't last 5 minutes half of the time but the other half its 1 hour)
Always the same troll
Get repetitive

What I love:
I can replace Facebook with this
I can have dating view points and exchange on topics and concepts with some added value poster here
Quite active

To clarifiy active: When I joined Sosuave, I also joined a PUA forum.... that PUA forum WAS DEAD.... like 4 posters takes weeks for replying etc... but they had strong post about Texting techniques which improved my game.... I would love to see that her more often (technique: What to say, What to right etc...improvement stuff)

 

[SteR]

Real men are finding it lonely at the top. Extreme beta men are lonely at the bottom. They both share that common bond which enforces MGTOW. The middle ground is undesirable because those men are slaves to women.

I don't buy this.. who are these "real men"? Like @Solomon mentioned earlier in this thread, the guys that seem to be going MGTOW are typically losers. You can understand immediately from watching/interacting with them why they're in that position. I mean don't get me wrong, I get it: They're angry and frustrated by the rejection. But they seem to completely lack self-awareness and an ability to see themselves for how they truly come across.

I've seen countless examples in real life of decent people getting together and being happy. There's far too much negativity on these boards.

 

[Trump]

People who impose their statements and thoughts rather than logically explain them.

"You do THIS, you will get the hot girl."
"It's all about social proof."
"It's all about money."
"It's all about her emotions."
"It's all about clothes."
"It's all about your job."
"It's all about how you make them feel."
"I've slept with over 20 women, its so easy."
"It's hard for me to explain to you."
"Just take my word for it."
"I don't have to time to dig deep, it's the way it is."
"PUA are for fools"
"This forum is for fools."
"All women are worthless."
"All men are suckers for sex."
"Texting is for suckers"
"Phone calls are for suckers."
"Dating for suckers"
"LA sucks for dating."
"Houston Sucks for dating"
San Francisco Sucks for dating."
"North American women suck."
"Men shouldn't want sex."
"Women control the frame"
"I'm glad some of you guys understand."

 

[RichardTheFrog]

I don't buy this.. who are these "real men"? Like @Solomon mentioned earlier in this thread, the guys that seem to be going MGTOW are typically losers. You can understand immediately from watching/interacting with them why they're in that position. I mean don't get me wrong, I get it: They're angry and frustrated by the rejection. But they seem to completely lack self-awareness and an ability to see themselves for how they truly come across.

I've seen countless examples in real life of decent people getting together and being happy. There's far too much negativity on these boards.

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

 

[Solomon]

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

Because you have MGTOW who are being disingenious by telling young men to "Join" the hell does a 19 year old college kid gotta worry about alimony for?

19 year old awkward college kid who can't talk to girls goes MGTOW cause he not getting laid, I have seen this

 

[Desdinova]

MGTOW is not anger at rejection.

It's anger at ALIMONY!!!

Why are people not getting this?

MGTOW started out as frustration toward how society favours women more than men, and how women are against being the feminine creature that men enjoy. The book "Men on Strike" highlights pretty much everything that started MGTOW. It's not just alimony, but men being forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his, along with not having any rights to have visitation with the child. These are men who DID and CAN get laid, and have suffered for it greatly. The losers who can't get laid came afterwards.

 

[Erik VL]

There are so many more guys, the quality of poster was something unheard of, even in the mature men's section. SO what happened? the board became more and more toxic. The good posters left. I myself by 2010 would leave 6 months at a time. By 2013 The site had compeletley changed

All the guys who knew their shyt left, and all of a sudden these "MGTOW 4 life" guys came around, a website that use to be about self-improvement and seduction now became a playground for guys to cry, be bitter and moan about the type of girls they couldn't get it

Yes. I posted here long ago but I have forgotten the password and email for that account. But even then the MGTOW nonsense was becoming strong. Now it seems to be everywhere here. Maybe because the mgtow com forum closed down?

This is very different from manosphere blogs. Why? Because the blogger sets the tone for the conversation, and he becomes a well-read blogger only by knowing his stuff, which means he won't be an MGTOW creature, and will smack them down when necessary.

A forum on the other hand lets every loser feel like a king by seeing his words become a thread. Many just love making threads about pretty much anything, even if it has been discussed a thousand times. And they love taking a dump over any good thread. They love being cynical because they think that sounds smart - they're "in the know" while others are naive, they imagine. It justifies their loneliness. And there is no leading voice to shame them and educate them.

As for those who justify their bitterness by talking about alimony - what luck for you that you live in the U.S. If you lived in a country where you couldn't use that excuse for hating women, then what would you do?

 

[devilkingx2]

I'd say the lack of actual depth.

I made a post about self acceptance and self love and got one reply while a post about a guy wanting to date a borderline personality chick has like six pages of nonsense.

I left this board for months because of things like this. While this is way better than a pick up forum and there are members here want to explore things, the bro mentality is too well alive and it's scary how little anyone truly wants to dive deep here.

Controversy is the way to get views and replies, it's a universal law of the internet. If you post something everyone agrees with nobody will feel the need to post

 

[AJ84]

MGTOW started out as frustration toward how society favours women more than men, and how women are against being the feminine creature that men enjoy. The book "Men on Strike" highlights pretty much everything that started MGTOW. It's not just alimony, but men being forced to pay child support for a child that isn't his, along with not having any rights to have visitation with the child. These are men who DID and CAN get laid, and have suffered for it greatly. The losers who can't get laid came afterwards.

They need to then start pulling out those weeds beause there are too many of those losers propping up on various sites, redirecting attention away from issues that need to be addressed like what you described above, to spread bitterness, which helps no one.

 

[ubercat]

The MGTOW s r just redpill guys who got stuck at the anger phase. I'm not fussed that other guys don't get laid the Immortal words of Blackadder more rumpy for me.

Three things give me the sh1ts here

Guys who have no sense of community. I remember a thread in health and fitness where Marmel 75 gave pages of great advice on nutrition and workout techniques that was specifically tailored to this guys situation and there was no repping or thank you. Same thing for the juvenile flamewars they just mess up the threads and any good discussion is lost.

The second thing Guys who always keep up this fake Alpha front. Progress is never a straight line. You're going to screw up and you're going to have dark days when nothing works. There's a few of the senior members you seem to think its unmanly to ever show weakness. Well I call bull**** on that. The point of the forum is to share advice and learn from the group mind.

The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation

Thirdly this idea that any tactical advice is over analysing. Everybody has their individual sticking points and level of understanding. Because the guy posts a detailed interaction with some girl it doesn't mean that he's got automatic oneitis. It could be a pattern he's noticed or maybe he's trying something new out.

I used to do that with online dating profiles all the time. If I'm ever on the market again I might try out some of Guru 1000s dominance game just for s***s and giggles. It will probably end horribly because I'm not a Millionaire and it's not congruent but who cares. At my age when I've had more ass than a public toilet seat self amusement is just as valuable as puss

 

[dustmuffin]

I think a lot of it has to do with new people starting accounts and immediately start asking for advice on how to talk to a girl, how to get a girl back, what to say in an approach, when to approach a girl etc.

I feel like if there was a probationary period where you had to wait 2 months from the moment you created your account to start posting, that would be beneficial haha.

Then you could observe, and find out this board is essentially about one message: improving yourself to be the best person you can possibly be, and the women will follow.

I like that fact that you can post immediately. I came in here a mess. I needed help badly. I didn't have time to wait two months to post.
This place has helped me immensely.

I am getting laid on a regular basis and have finally got my head on straight. I still have many more improvements to make. Anyway....I just take what I can use from the forum and ignore the rest. Getting in a fight on the internet with a stranger is a waste of time.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

The place has become a circle jerk for women-hating, low value men, which is why many others are staying away at the moment.

This, it has to be said must at least in part down to the attitudes and behaviors of the moderating staff and/or owners. The ban-hammer comes down pretty hard and swift on those members calling each other petty names, but it rarely if ever happens if one of the emotards does the same about the entire species of women.

Two such instances are highlighted below on the first page, alone.




If name-calling isn't tolerated between members, then maybe it shouldn't be tolerated whatsoever; we can only otherwise assume hypocrisy. It is absolutely indicative of the quality of the men here and the content. There doesn't need to be twenty fcking posts a week about the nature of women. We KNOW what women are like. One pinned post about female behaviour for guys to let off steam would suffice, and the rest can be deleted or referred to that pinned thread.

This is no longer a place where men can come to learn about how to attract and seduce women. It's a dumping ground for entitled, rank average crybabies, who are so drained of testosterone from chronic masturbation, the only motivation they can muster is to log in to SS and have a cry about women aren't attracted to entitled, rank average, crybaby, chronic masturbators.

The moderators and or owners would do well to look at this issue very carefully because many great posters are now MIA. The quality of the input and material here has been on a steady decline for the last few months, if not year and frankly, at the moment, is extremely poor. This forum is slowly, very slowly, sinking in to obscurity. Which is sad really.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Do you think there was ever an absence of such posts? They have always been on men's forums and always will be. It seems that some of you become paralyzed by these posts and fall into hand-wringing about the "losers" that you are daily choosing to hang out with. I personally think it is dangerous and counterproductive to frequent a forum that is comprised of people whom I consider "losers". I personally wouldn't do it.

Over the years, my method has been different. I ignore the stuff that I personally am not interested in and as I always like to put it, "mine the gold". The gold is invisible to the hand-wringers.

In my experience, the ban hammer comes down excruciatingly slowly on members who resort to trashing and verbally abusing other members. We go to great lengths to prolong the deployment of a ban and dialog at length with the person in order to get them to ease up on the abuse. Sometimes they see it and turn it around. Other times they react like foot-stomping children and that's when we ban. You guys would be amazed at the childish, tantrum-laden messages we get from some of them. They are breaking out of their online persona and showing us their true colors. It never ceases to amaze me how grown men can dive into toddler-like tantrums in contrast to the person they portray on the boards. With these guys, their messages to us reek of major insecurity. That's why they resort to name-calling when challenged by other members. They have nothing else of substance in their arsenal to deal with opposition.

For clarity, it is true that abuse and name-calling of other members is a ban-able offense. Writing threads venting about women is not.

I find myself chuckling about the posts here that cry about the other crybabies. They're just crying about different things, but they're all crying.

Mine the gold and ignore the noise, fellas. It has always been on men's forums, and always will be. I would offer another suggestion for those who cry about the site and yet hang around here every day: Why not write some productive posts to counteract what you consider to be offensive? Instead, many men dwell on the offense instead of counteracting it and adding positive material that might get men to see more clearly.

I remember one day about 20 years ago. I was in a 7-11, looking around and remarking to myself, what a bunch of low-life losers in this store, buying all this crap with no regard for health. Then, to my horror, I realized that I was one of them, and for all I knew, one or more of those people may have been thinking the same thing about me. I don't go to 7-11s anymore.

I rarely look at guys as losers here. There are a few of course, but some who appear as losers are actually confused guys who are trying to make their way and figure this stuff out. Some are currently in the anger phase, some are in the depression phase, or perhaps some other phase. I try to help them work their way through it, to be a positive influence in this forum. The ones who don't listen and who stay stuck for years don't even register on my radar screen. I don't fret over them; I dismiss them, knowing there will always be some on any forum.

Those are some of my thoughts on this imperfect but immensely valuable and effective forum. This forum single-handedly facilitated my recovery from a clueless, lost "boy" to an effective man who garners respect everywhere he goes, from men and women alike. It's not that the forum magically transformed me, rather, I leveraged the good of the site to my advantage and ignored the static.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

I find myself chuckling about the posts here that cry about the other crybabies. They're just crying about different things, but they're all crying.

Crying is crying; observing a cry baby is different to being one. Me telling someone that they're being a crybaby is an attempt to make them stop in a very matter of fact way, for their own good.

The point being, there is a marked difference to the style and message of the articles on the main site, and in the DJB, compared to the trash we see in the forum today. Though I wasn't here when those were written, I probably was dating women at the time, and for all it's worth, the game hasn't changed so dramatically since then that this current outlook of victim-hood is warranted. With the possible exception of divorcees, it's just weak, low-grade men refusing to accept that they have a lot of hard work ahead of them. The articles on the main site are pragmatic; this forum at the moment is literally worse that LoveShack, which I took a very brief visit over to the other day. I'm not even joking.

I think the legitimate posters here can weather a bit of in-fighting and debate. Real men can deal with that; that's the nature of a forum, as opposed to a blog. What gets very tiresome is talking someone down off a cliff, only to come back the next day to find them all back on top of the fcking cliff. Offering assistance seems like a waste of time, so more experienced members are dropping like flies.

The attitude is completely counter-productive to the cause. There are other forums where there isn't half the b!tching going on and the conversation is on point. Like I said, when you have more b!tching going on here than at a place like LoveShack, you've got a problem. Only mods can sort that out. The regular members have tried, but it hasn't worked. There are literally more guys here interested in moaning about women than seducing them, right now.

I've been pretty consistently here for four years and can assure you, the quality has diminished drastically in the last two years. Back then, newbies (mainly) humbly came looking for advice. We had at least half an ounce of respect The new breed think they know it all and just want to trash talk. There is no difference between calling another member a fagg0t and calling all women hookers. The message and vibe and fall out is exactly the same; if not worse when women are being referred to.

If women are so difficult to get along with and tolerate, how come I hit a count of 80 two weeks ago; with 5 already in 2017? But sure, these crybabies can keep telling me (and the others like me) that they are the ones who know better And you mods can keep letting them until there is literally no respect or value left here whatsoever.

The question to ask is, is this the place you come to learn to attract or (continue to) repel women?

Not crying about crying. This is my observation.

 

[Von]

Crying is crying; observing a cry baby is different to being one. Me telling someone that they're being a crybaby is an attempt to make them stop in a very matter of fact way, for their own good.

The point being, there is a marked difference to the style and message of the articles on the main site, and in the DJB, compared to the trash we see in the forum today. Though I wasn't here when those were written, I probably was dating women at the time, and for all it's worth, the game hasn't changed so dramatically since then that this current outlook of victim-hood is warranted. With the possible exception of divorcees, it's just weak, low-grade men refusing to accept that they have a lot of hard work ahead of them. The articles on the main site are pragmatic; this forum at the moment is literally worse that LoveShack, which I took a very brief visit over to the other day. I'm not even joking.

I think the legitimate posters here can weather a bit of in-fighting and debate. Real men can deal with that; that's the nature of a forum, as opposed to a blog. What gets very tiresome is talking someone down off a cliff, only to come back the next day to find them all back on top of the fcking cliff. Offering assistance seems like a waste of time, so more experienced members are dropping like flies.

The attitude is completely counter-productive to the cause. There are other forums where there isn't half the b!tching going on and the conversation is on point. Like I said, when you have more b!tching going on here than at a place like LoveShack, you've got a problem. Only mods can sort that out. The regular members have tried, but it hasn't worked. There are literally more guys here interested in moaning about women than seducing them, right now.

I've been pretty consistently here for four years and can assure you, the quality has diminished drastically in the last two years. Back then, newbies (mainly) humbly came looking for advice. We had at least half an ounce of respect The new breed think they know it all and just want to trash talk. There is no difference between calling another member a fagg0t and calling all women hookers. The message and vibe and fall out is exactly the same; if not worse when women are being referred to.

If women are so difficult to get along with and tolerate, how come I hit a count of 80 two weeks ago; with 5 already in 2017? But sure, these crybabies can keep telling me (and the others like me) that they are the ones who know better And you mods can keep letting them until there is literally no respect or value left.

Not crying about crying. This is my observation.

Atom Smasher has wisdom in his word and speech.... He is right about people having issues, having a phase, either getting back up or crashing

But TheMonkeyKing is right.

Trolling, Whiner etc... have always been around... except they either went away or the MARKET of SUSUAVE (aka the strength of our DJ community would bring balance)....

However, now its 80% of the post are done by 4 posters who repeat the same, insults when given advice.... they don't want to be helped or are really doomed...

Personnally, I doubted by ''kind'' to them because being Kind wont help

Either way, nobody love complainers.... and Atom Smasher and TheMonkeyKing have both the same answer: Ignore them and/or move on

So Winners that's what they do.... they leave SoSuave to somewhere else that has a higher value and more positive outlook on life THAT support them

By leaving crybaby being the front page of the website... you attract them, diminishing the social value of SoSuave and your publicity revenues...

Is it a phase? Maybe... but every where has a tipping point

The Gold is being covered by too much dirt... slowly leading it to be History.

For everything else: There is the ignore button (which is a member added value)