What's the one thing that disappoints you about this board (from a thread/posting pov)

[Glassguy]

To answer the OP's question:

Trolls.

 

[Solomon]

Great idea. Also, IMO users should need 10 likes (or so) and then they can create a thread versus respond to a thread.

I've been here 11 years now and I never saw a major change. If anything it's better now, because the forum went from seemingly leaning toward Hillary for awhile to being IMO strongly Pro Trump. It's also nice to see how we respect female members but also put them in their places.

The PUA community was a natural response to the unnatural forces of Feminism. This forum is essentially the opposite of Feminism, and men can learn about the three most important things: health, finance and relationships. It's 10 times better than Facebook.

The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013

 

[bigneil]

The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013

Raise your hand if you are MGTOW.

That might be the first time I ever typed that acronym.

I'm MGTORW (Men Going TO Raunchy Women).

 

[Young OG]

I pretty much agree with the OP.

The board seems to keep getting worse. Instead of discussing actual seduction/game, most threads are guys complaining and whining. They want to complain about how they cant get white girls, the market is horrible, women are so evil, etc.

It seems like the board has been invaded by hardcore red killers, mgtow, cry babies, and complainers.

I post field reports in my journal and I have a 100 approaches challenge thread going on right now. I get no replies. Threads where people whine and complain get more comments then field reports. That's pretty sad. Instead of complaining about women, why not try to understand them better and use your knowledge to win in this game?

 

[Atom Smasher]

Every forum has trolls, noobs, and other issues that one might find annoying. Not one is exempt from these things. In my case, I simply sifted through the noise and leveraged this site to work for me.

Regarding the noobs, we were all there once. My view is that these are brothers who come in here battered and confused. I want to help them. The ones that don't respond get dropped by the wayside or rightly ripped a new one. There are plenty who do respond and grow into better men.

In my view, who cares about trolls? They will always be around. Who cares about political leanings? Those biases are inherent in humanity. Who cares about movements such as MGTOW? I eat the meat and spit out the bones.

I came here when I was around 50, totally clueless about women, and now find myself at 60 completely turned around, and I have this site to thank. I guess I just automatically refuse to get sidetracked by annoyances, but instead sift through them to mine for the gold. And there is still plenty of gold to be mined.

We can wistfully look back at the "golden age" in any human endeavor, but often the "golden age" wasn't so golden, just different. Women have certainly degenerated even further in the last 10 years, and of course the fallout from that is going to be reflected here.

I would advise any man to mine the gold and ignore the noise, which is always going to be there. Get your hands dirty and dig. Even when it comes to posters you don't like, you can still ask yourself, "What can I learn from this?". Sometimes the answer is, "Nothing", but other times there is a nugget of useful information there. My philosophy is to leverage the good and not let the bad affect me, as hand-wringing is futile.

 

[zekko]

Let's not bullsh!t ourselves. Sosuave is a site for guys who can't get girls. Therefore, if you can get a sense of the collective mindset here....the attitudes and viewpoints that are the most commonly held.......well then you just invented the formula for pvssy repellent.

Add in the fact that if you believe what everybody says, most of the guys on here are 8's or above in the looks department. Guys that good looking should automatically be naturals. How bad must their personalities be if their looks can't compensate?!

 

[sosousage]

I love this site! Over the years it has been a blessing to me. I do believe that there comes a point where your life moves on & this site is no longer a part of it.

For some posters that will be 6 months. For others (like me.) they are here far longer.

The biggest problem with this site is a focus on the external (Money, status & looks etc.) rather than then internal underpinning issues. I would love to see more posters open up & talk about there issues.

Look is manageable.
Status? also
money unfortunately not for everyone. id wonder how world would look like if women were making PUA communities to get men and men would just look for rich women to use them financially/mentally

 

[RichardTheFrog]

MGTOW should become a symbol of a man with a sulking face, arms folded.

Or what about a guy working a job he hates to give money to a woman who took advantage of him?

 

[zekko]

I thought this forum was less about PUA but more about being a generally good man with the ladies, and building a better life.

I thought it was about becoming the ultimate alpha male sitting at the top of the heap of all the other battered, bloodied males you had vanquished!

Figuratively, of course.

 

[AJ84]

MGTOW should become a symbol of a man with a sulking face, arms folded.

Like this?

 

[Desdinova]

There is absolutely nothing that disappoints me about this forum. Whatever is in this forum's future is fine by me. The information on here is relevant, logical, and it works. It's been that way since I joined 16 years ago, but it also isn't the same as it was back then. I'm glad it's moved on from a 'Ross Jeffries Speed Seduction vs Natural Game' discussion. If this forum had never progressed, it would be dead with outdated, useless information. There's a reason why there's a Speed Seduction section in the DJ Bible; It's part of the history of Sosuave.

All the guys who knew their shyt left, and all of a sudden these "MGTOW 4 life" guys came around, a website that use to be about self-improvement and seduction now became a playground for guys to cry, be bitter and moan about the type of girls they couldn't get it.

This is how I see the resulting MGTOW movement... Seduction movements (Ross Jeffries, Mystery Method, RSD, and even Sosuave) have done their job in making men better at seducing women. We now have extremely effective tools at our disposal to flip the attraction switches inside a woman. We can get laid easier than ever without resorting to rape or paying for a prostitute. We actually have the tools to make ourselves desirable to the point where we can choose almost any woman we desire to make ours.

Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.

Yes, there are men who are going to bytch and whine that they can't get women and so they become MGTOW, but what about the men who have done the work? They're finding themselves no better off. Tenacity is a great example. He's gone out and fvcked the women he wanted, but has to repeatedly throw them away because they're pieces of 5hit. Men who should be procreating to keep the human race strong are not bothering because they can't find anybody worth procreating with. Add in the fact that the law will favour the pregnant slvtty wh0re and order the male to give her child support payments. Men are going to opt out. What quality man in their right fvcking mind is going to go along with that?

Back to the subject matter, I think that any forum of this nature is going to morph continually, as societal changes and perceptions occur. It's a pretty good mirror of the state of affairs out there. I would be less inclined to blame the forum, which is only a reflection, and be more inclined look at that which is being reflected.

I agree 100%. This forum has been progressive with the latest happenings in the dating world.

The reason why the site is pro trump or alt right now is because of MGTOW, don't kid yourself the "pua community" died when MGTOW came about in 2013

The PUA Community exploded into mainstream, made it's money, and then the ashes settled. The information is still useful, but it's no longer mainstream.

MGTOW is the newest thing in the spotlight with regards to the dating world. In the future, you shall see the fall of Feminism at the hands of the LGBTQ community; more specifically the Trans people. Women are going to become vulnerable again with men masquerading around as women. The need for real men is going to rise to protect women from the perverts. The shift has just started. We're going to see an increase in decent women, probably in the next 20-30 years.

However, I'm not waiting until I'm fvcking 70 years old to get a good woman. I'm going to take what I can get now and make it work for me. The guys who only want sex have it made in the current dating world. The guys who want a long term partner are the ones suffering.

The board seems to keep getting worse. Instead of discussing actual seduction/game, most threads are guys complaining and whining. They want to complain about how they cant get white girls, the market is horrible, women are so evil, etc.

Yeah, the board got worse in 2004 too. And in 2014. It's always getting worse. It must be really bad right now. Men probably aren't getting laid anymore from the information on Sosuave because it's so bad here.

But there is a benefit to that as well. The site is reaching more men than it ever has before. That's a good thing. Guys can get help almost immediately. That's a good thing too. Back when I first found SS, even those golden, DJ Bible type threads had gaps of days, weeks or longer between posts. Guys would have to wait a long time to get responses to questions. The quality was better overall, but it was SLOW AS FVCK.

It's not often I see someone who's been around longer than me on here and remembers how things were back in 2001. You had to wait HOURS before getting a response to your post. There weren't that many members here. I always find it amazing how this site attracted so many good, strong, informative men back in the early days. Where the hell did they all come from? What brought them here?

I came here as a stupid AFC who got his heart broken by his fiancee, and couldn't understand why all the flowers, gifts, chocolate, catering, and forgiveness didn't keep her devoted. Those early members of the forum were HARD on me. They talked to me like I was a fvcking moron. I nearly left this place broken and hurt from the verbal whippings I received. And you know what? That kind of harsh advice is still being dished out here. Sosuave has NOT changed in that aspect, and I'm thankful that it hasn't. THAT is why Sosuave still works to this day.

 

[bigneil]

Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters.

I agree with most of your posts, but I'm surprised to hear you calling women derogatory names. Calling women names makes them seem stronger and us seem weaker.

Women in 2017 are not monogamous, by and large. There are a lot of bitter men here who are single and try to hold men who are scoring to higher standards, pretending sex doesn't mean anything unless she is 100% monogamous from the first penetration.

What seems to be never said here is that once a woman loves you, there will always be a place in her heart for you. You just can't force it. She'll pull away and for some reason men believe that should disqualify her forever. That shows profound neediness.

Women always come back unless you f*ck up royally. If we are always improving, when a woman comes back, there is no reason to think she won't fall more deeply in love the second time.

I'm not hot enough to disqualify my dream girls for not being 100% monogamous.

Today my first love sent me a voice message on Facebook. I met her in October 1987. She was the first girl I ever loved. I haven't seen her since 2002 yet her voice still brings me to my knees. We had terrible fights. I did unspeakably AFC things, but she still loves me. As does my last girl.

Corey Wayne says it best "If she's seeing someone else, so what? He can keep her busy when you're not around. If she friend zones you, you walk away and never look back. When she reaches out, your job is to create a fun-filled opportunity for sex to happen".

 

[Thorninmyside]

Mental cases who just don't get anything no matter how many times they have it told to them.

 

[Desdinova]

I agree with most of your posts, but I'm surprised to hear you calling women derogatory names.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love women. They're pretty, they smell nice, they have smooth skin, great hair, they like doing thoughtful things, but you're correct... Most of them are not monogamous. You continuously blow your load in them until they start to piss you off, and then you throw them away. To put it bluntly, she's a cvm dumpster. She's not worth procreating with, so your sperm goes to waste.

 

[Solomon]

This is how I see the resulting MGTOW movement... Seduction movements (Ross Jeffries, Mystery Method, RSD, and even Sosuave) have done their job in making men better at seducing women. We now have extremely effective tools at our disposal to flip the attraction switches inside a woman. We can get laid easier than ever without resorting to rape or paying for a prostitute. We actually have the tools to make ourselves desirable to the point where we can choose almost any woman we desire to make ours.

Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.

Yes, there are men who are going to bytch and whine that they can't get women and so they become MGTOW, but what about the men who have done the work? They're finding themselves no better off. Tenacity is a great example. He's gone out and fvcked the women he wanted, but has to repeatedly throw them away because they're pieces of 5hit. Men who should be procreating to keep the human race strong are not bothering because they can't find anybody worth procreating with. Add in the fact that the law will favour the pregnant slvtty wh0re and order the male to give her child support payments. Men are going to opt out. What quality man in their right fvcking mind is going to go along with that?

Des I got great respect for you. you know that but most MGTOW I see are not "Winners"

Here is proof

sorry but I'm highly skeptical when I see men like this bytching and complaining ab out women when the elephant in the room is obvious

 

[zekko]

I'm not hot enough to disqualify my dream girls for not being 100% monogamous.

Well, unless you are in an exclusive relationship, you can't really expect her to be monogamous anyway. However, if you ARE in an exclusive relationship, you can most certainly expect it (and hopefully you will have screened well enough to get it).

Maybe I'm a selfish b@stard, but once I get to a certain level with a girl, I don't like to share her. I know in 2017 there is this push for everyone to just hook up and spin plates, but I at least demand my girl to be faithful, and I get it. So it's not like it's impossible. I'm not a youngster anymore though. When I was in my plate spinning days, I didn't care what a girl did, at long as I could get in her pants. As I've gotten older, that way of doing things now appears more gross to me. I sure as heck don't care to bang a girl after bigneil has (no offense intended)

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Now, here's where the problem is... The women are still dumping us for other guys, they're still keeping orbiters, they still act like they're entitled to being spoiled by men. We have the ability to go out and fvck these women, but they're not worth keeping around. They're nothing more than cvm dumpsters. Men who have worked hard on themselves to be physically fit, financially successful, good in bed, and attractive as hell to women are NOT going to put up with that kind of 5hit. After all that hard work, they're going to want a damn fine woman for a reward. They're not any.
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I think the day we believe this is a sad day. Even though the reality might be that the mass of women today behave badly [and so do the men], we still have the ideal in mind... and that there might be a few that rise toward this above the mass.

It's about hope [not delusion]. Without it, your life becomes impoverished.

 

[Desdinova]

Des I got great respect for you. you know that but most MGTOW I see are not "Winners"

My point was that both the men who have a good skill set for seducing women and the men who have no hope in hell of getting laid both end up in the same situation... They BOTH end up without a good woman by their side.

The strong men are the ones who are supposed to survive because they can go out and get laid. When the women are garbage and the legal system is stacked against them, the strong aren't going to bother surviving. That's a problem for the human race as a species. Instead, we have single moms and lesbians using artificial insemination to have babies because society has empowered them. This is not what "the strong shall survive" is supposed to mean! Society is a mess in the sense of reproduction.

Real men are finding it lonely at the top. Extreme beta men are lonely at the bottom. They both share that common bond which enforces MGTOW. The middle ground is undesirable because those men are slaves to women.

It's about hope [not delusion]. Without it, your life becomes impoverished.

...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.

 

[zekko]

...and it's not hard to lose hope. We're swimming in a sea of trash. In my opinion, it starts to become more about survival than hope.

Tenacity, is that you?

 

[Desdinova]

Tenacity, is that you?

I've always said that me and Tenacity have similar views on this subject. The difference between us is that I'm more interested in trying to find a solution that will work for me.