"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What's the best way to set up the date?

speakeasy

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"I'm going to check out a friend's band perform at this venue on Friday, come with me."

"I'd like to get together sometime for a drink, what night are you free?"

Which method is better? To pose it in the form of a statement like the first, where you're not asking her, but telling her to come with you? Or asking her to tell YOU when she is free to go out. The first may come off as more confident, but if she's not free that night which is probably about a 50/50 chance, you'll have to resort to fishing out a date in her schedule which might make you come off as too eager.

How do you guys prefer to set up the date when it comes time to ask?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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WesCottII

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Whats wrong with both?

I'd go with

"Hey, I'm going to check out a friends band on Friday, you should come along, it'll be a good night", and if she's busy, I'd say "Not into gangster rap/death metal/insert joke here eh? *grin*, well, we should definitly go for a drink, so I can learn about what you DO like, when ya free?"
 

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It depends on what you want to convey to her (which should be dependent on stage of your interactions with her). The first one is good in the early stages when you are interested in her but it's still as just acquaintances or friends (i.e. hey, let's hang out). No skin off your nose if she doesn't, you have other friends you could hang out with; it's more about the particular event than who you are with.

The second one is better for subsequent stages where it's been established that there is a mutual interest beyond just friends hanging out; that you specifically want her company. It's more focused on her company rather than the event.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
The second one is better for subsequent stages where it's been established that there is a mutual interest beyond just friends hanging out; that you specifically want her company. It's more focused on her company rather than the event.

Very good distinction. :up:
 

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speakeasy said:
Very good distinction. :up:
That's why I'm not a proponent of believing that you can say anything and just focus on just how you say it. Words have meaning for a reason, use it to your advantage. ;)
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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