Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single

She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.

You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.

The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.

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What weight do women put on height and physique?

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I'm a pretty average looking guy. Girls call me cute because I have a bit of a baby face. But my face is quite round and I lack the chiselled jawline of the guys that are seen as classically handsome and despite being in my mid 20s still look much more like a boy than a man.

However in my favour I am 6 foot 2 and have a good physique: broad shoulders, powerful chest, slim waist, long legs.

However because when I look in the mirror I see myself only as average looking I always tend to assume when I approach pretty girls that they are out of my league and I have to do something special to impress them.

But then I get a fair amount of compliments from girls/ex girlfriends on my height and body. So it makes me think that perhaps there are girls out there who see the overal package and figure I am good looking, so I am setting my sights unduly low when I go for mostly average/cute looking girls.

What are peoples' thoughts on this?

As a guy I admit that if a girl is average looking but has a killer body I'd want to sleep with her even if I didn't necessarily want her as a girlfriend. Does the same sort of thing apply with women?
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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6 feet 2 ... i would give my looks up to be as tall as you are..

I believe - that when you are tall - your looks doesnt matter (obviously you have the physique too) .. So nothing to worry about at all - i think many of them see you as good looking in general .. ofc. there are always exceptions to the rule
 

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Weight on looks depends on your personality, the more she likes your personality the less your looks matter. If she doesn't know you then all she's got to go on is looks and then they matter a lot more, so whilst one might judge your picture one way, if she got to know you you can become more good looking and be judged another way, there's a stronger focus on your good physical attributes if she likes you. It's common sense really.

I think men have an easier time with looks, it's a lot easier for a man to strike up attraction from a female through his personality and exchanges with women despite any drawbacks on looks. In the very vaguest of terms be confident, fun and sexual and the woman will be more attracted to you than before you opened your mouth.

Eg there was this guy at my old school, he was one of the hottest guys physically from age 16-19, yet he remained a virgin til he went to Uni. I wasn't attracted to him either. He was just so incredibly shy and well, boring really. And he just copied his mates a lot of the time in little ways.
The last time I saw him however he had really come out of his shell and he's actually lovely, got a hell of a lot more confidence and I imagine is ****ing women these days.
 

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Women have a primal need for provision and protection. At 6'2 you would at least appear to be a good protector so you would win in this area. Short guys can compensate by being wealthy or appearing to have the ability to provide wealth (a good mouthpiece). This is how celebrities like Tom Cruise get by. Looks are a great asset, but most chicks will pick a fat millionaire over a pretty boy bum any day.
 

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CuriousGirl said:
Weight on looks depends on your personality, the more she likes your personality the less your looks matter. If she doesn't know you then all she's got to go on is looks and then they matter a lot more, so whilst one might judge your picture one way, if she got to know you you can become more good looking and be judged another way, there's a stronger focus on your good physical attributes if she likes you. It's common sense really.

I think men have an easier time with looks, it's a lot easier for a man to strike up attraction from a female through his personality and exchanges with women despite any drawbacks on looks. In the very vaguest of terms be confident, fun and sexual and the woman will be more attracted to you than before you opened your mouth.

Eg there was this guy at my old school, he was one of the hottest guys physically from age 16-19, yet he remained a virgin til he went to Uni. I wasn't attracted to him either. He was just so incredibly shy and well, boring really. And he just copied his mates a lot of the time in little ways.
The last time I saw him however he had really come out of his shell and he's actually lovely, got a hell of a lot more confidence and I imagine is ****ing women these days.

I kind of agree with this.

Women have always told me that I have a really pretty face and am very handsome. But, when I used to be shy and introverted I didnt help me get laid at all.

Fast forward today. Im not that shy guy anymore and Ive noticed that women react much more positively now.

Where as before I had a hard time smiling and making eye contact with women, I do that all the time and am much more confident these days and am having much more sex because of it.

Looks are important to a certain extent but in itself will not get you laid.

At 6 2 you should have no problem at all even if you consider yourself average looking. Just act confident, smile and always make eye contact and the women will start to gravitate around you.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Blackmm said:
Looks are a great asset, but most chicks will pick a fat millionaire over a pretty boy bum any day.
Shows how shallow the female mind is.
 

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^ seriously?

wouldnt picking the pretty boy bum over a fat millionaire be the shallow choice? lol
 

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Women put weight on height, build and especially facial attractiveness. If girls are telling you they think you're cute, then that's indicating you pass the physical attraction test (it probably says something about yor personality too because even if you are good looking but women don't like your personality they probably won't tell you you're physically attractive). But it's not enough to be physically attractive, you have to have confidence/outgoingness/game/personality too. They're not completely two separate issues for women. An unattractive guy's objectively good personality will be subjectively not judge well and an attractive guy's objectively not so good personality will be judge well. Women mishmash looks and personality together somewhat. Personality is almost as much appearance than character, as is physical looks. One female in this thread even said an unattractive guy with a good personality can make up for lacking physical attractiveness. This is not generally true.

Height and physique won't count for much alone. I knew lots of guys over 6'1 and in shape that could never attract a girl. Some of them even had a slightly better than average face too. On the other side of the coin, all the personality and game in the world won't count for anything if you don't have a certain level of physical attractiveness. You have to have both physical attractiveness and personality/game and they are about equal in importance. Women only need some looks and they really don't even need much of that to get guys. Besides it's not so easy changing your personality to some vague target, not as simple as putting on high heels, a flattering dress and make up.
 
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garruk said:
^ seriously?

wouldnt picking the pretty boy bum over a fat millionaire be the shallow choice? lol
Its shallow either way to base your picking of someone for their looks or wealth instead of personality. Its a Catch 22 argument; either you are shallow for liking someone for their looks or shallow for materialistic wealth. Either one can change in the blink of a bankruptcy or mauling and I'd love to see how many Women would stand by their Man if the situation changed.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Zodiac said:
Its shallow either way to base your picking of someone for their looks or wealth instead of personality. Its a Catch 22 argument; either you are shallow for liking someone for their looks or shallow for materialistic wealth. Either one can change in the blink of a bankruptcy or mauling and I'd love to see how many Women would stand by their Man if the situation changed.
Bankruptcy they are gone... Mauling ? I bet more women would stick around over men sticking around...
 

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Zodiac said:
Its shallow either way to base your picking of someone for their looks or wealth instead of personality. Its a Catch 22 argument; either you are shallow for liking someone for their looks or shallow for materialistic wealth. Either one can change in the blink of a bankruptcy or mauling and I'd love to see how many Women would stand by their Man if the situation changed.
This still falls under the "women want provision and protection" principle. Larry the cable guy is fat, but looks like he could probably kick ass and protect his family and he is rich to boot. Its not really shallow, its just women following 100,000 years of evolutionary instinct.
 

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1) OK you say you are 6' 2" with an awesome physique and that lots of women tell you that you look cute.

2) However you start off your post with "I'm a pretty average looking guy"

Which means you are lying about one of them.

Only in Valhalla is 6' 2" with an awesome physique average :D
 

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Ha ha I was referring to my face when I said I was average looking. As one of my exes put it I have the face of a boy and the body of a man.

Loved the Thor movie though. Would kill for a face like that guy!
 

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Unless you are deformed, most guys can be classified as having a cute face. Its not the same as some chick saying you are a hottie.

(no homo disclaimer)

Seth Rogan is cute

Brad Pitt is hot.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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