"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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epicwinner

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Hi guys

I'm new to this forum, although I have browsed before (so I'm aware of many terms like C/F, LJBF etc)

here is a situation. There is this girl that I have been seeing; she took same subjects with me at uni last year... we never spoke to each other in class before. this year, I ran into her at a party (mutual friend's) it was very obvious there were IOI from her... but I wasn't attracted to her then

to cut the story short, we met several times after that and I have developed feelings for her!

It is the girl that contacts me first to arrange meetings etc, but I have yet to make a serious move on her (I flirt a lot, we have good convos, lots of subtle kinos what not)

you see, I have a feeling that I should make a move soon (like, kiss her), otherwise I might just get a LJBF! It has been over 2 years since I dated someone.. and it is kind of hard now to spot that moment.
I'm thinking of meeting up with her again tomorrow... how should I approach this?

Cheers!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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epicwinner said:
Hi guys

I'm new to this forum, although I have browsed before (so I'm aware of many terms like C/F, LJBF etc)

here is a situation. There is this girl that I have been seeing; she took same subjects with me at uni last year... we never spoke to each other in class before. this year, I ran into her at a party (mutual friend's) it was very obvious there were IOI from her... but I wasn't attracted to her then

to cut the story short, we met several times after that and I have developed feelings for her!

It is the girl that contacts me first to arrange meetings etc, but I have yet to make a serious move on her (I flirt a lot, we have good convos, lots of subtle kinos what not)

you see, I have a feeling that I should make a move soon (like, kiss her), otherwise I might just get a LJBF! It has been over 2 years since I dated someone.. and it is kind of hard now to spot that moment.
I'm thinking of meeting up with her again tomorrow... how should I approach this?

Cheers!
There is no "moment" to kiss her. You have to get her used to touching you, and you must constantly escalate. For instance:

1) Light touching of shoulders, side of arms during conversation.
2) Escort her around the place with your hand on the small of her back.
3) Holding hands
4) Holding her around the waist/Hugging

etc... It's a ladder, you have to constantly be increasing the intensity of kino, this is called kino escalation.

You can't just suddenly 'go for the kiss", because she's not ready for that yet. Have you held hands? No? Then how can you expect her to kiss you?

And yes, poster above me is correct, follow his advice too. Don't get too hung up on one particular girl.
 

epicwinner

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Thanks a lot guys!

Yes, we do hold hands and we have a lot of kino lol

Great tips! much appreciated
 
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