"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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kizza

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Ill try and make this as short as possible.

I met this girl at a saturday school we go to, we aren't in the same class and I don't see her much. Our last lesson before Christmas was when I first started talking to her.

She asked me for my email. We talked later on and a few times during the week. She also asked for my cell/mobile number and we were texting on that for a few hrs one night. She seemed a bit interested in me, I tried C&F and we got along fine.

Now she isn't online at all, she was on earlier and I managed to stop myself from talking to her (not seeming too needy) but she didn't talk to me, and hasn't msged me in a while even though I thought she was starting to like me. Its been nearly two weeks since we she got my email. SHe also gave my email to her friend is who constantly online and we've talked but she doesn't seem interested too much - which I don't mind.

Basically how can I tell if the main girl is interested + show I'm annoyed that she isn't online much. Also try to get her interested in me more and show I'm not needy etc.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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online? why would you want a "e-gf" now? you have her cell phone # dont you?

call her, ask her out, pick her up, have fun.
 

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kizza said:
Basically how can I tell if the main girl is interested + show I'm annoyed that she isn't online much. Also try to get her interested in me more and show I'm not needy etc.
...very impossible. You're annoyed that she's not online = you're needy. Call her...
 
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i was just talking to this other girl i know and trying to get some help about it (dw i've known this girl for ages and we're friends). she immediately said it was hard 2 get and it definitely seems a possibility. it accounts for practically everything shes done. it just pisses me off that girl's make you want them... then kinda go away and try to lead you on.

im talking to her now and tryin to 'distance' myself a bit more and i'll tell you guys how it goes.

any help in general of how to get her interested in me instead of playing games? or something i could do.

thanks.
 

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btw for what u guys said so far, im not sure about calling, but ill see how this goes atm. thanks for replying so quickly.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Don't show that you are annoyed that she hasn't been online. (You shouldn't be annoyed!)

You did a good job not talking to her when she was online last. If she wants to pull away, let her. Her loss, right?
 

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I unfortunately showed a bit of annoyance and screwed it up (only a lil bit) then realised/regretted it just afterwards. I can probably work on this as we talked for only a little while and it keeps seeming more obvious she is playin hard 2 get (even though I had a strange impression that much younger girls (15/16) did these games less).

I'm trying to sound a bit more distant/less interested, but I'll be seeing this girl every saturday for a while (starting 13th jan) and I know im definitely interested in her which is the problem. I guess I don't mind pushing her away too much as long as in the end maybe she'll stop with the games or something? (hopefully?).

We live a bit far away, so I can't just casually go over and I'd say it would be awkward to call her coz we've barely talked before in real life, so I just need some goal/direction/objective.

Btw to the first reply of 'e-gf' I dont think thats quite for me lol!
 

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kizza said:
I unfortunately showed a bit of annoyance and screwed it up (only a lil bit) then realised/regretted it just afterwards. I can probably work on this as we talked for only a little while and it keeps seeming more obvious she is playin hard 2 get (even though I had a strange impression that much younger girls (15/16) did these games less).

I'm trying to sound a bit more distant/less interested, but I'll be seeing this girl every saturday for a while (starting 13th jan) and I know im definitely interested in her which is the problem. I guess I don't mind pushing her away too much as long as in the end maybe she'll stop with the games or something? (hopefully?).

We live a bit far away, so I can't just casually go over and I'd say it would be awkward to call her coz we've barely talked before in real life, so I just need some goal/direction/objective.

Btw to the first reply of 'e-gf' I dont think thats quite for me lol!
i was only kidding about the e-gf, :rolleyes: . if your interested in her, thats not a problem. just as long as you can control it without hurting yourself. can i ask you a question though? how many girls have you actually had a connection with? sorta like this situation you are in now.
 

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great question, i think it'll make you realise why i need the help.

if you're talking about the hard 2 get situation? then none.

otherwise maybe 3/4 but i always used to play the 'nice guy' thing which turned them off.

i immediately realised with this girl that i needed a bit more knowledge etc, which is where i read up about a load of stuff and used some. i just didn't realise that some of these things would happen so quickly.

it surprised me that i ignored the signs so obviously.

hope that answered ur question?
 

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you have her mobile number so call her. make it your "short-term" goal to call her this tuesday night so you can setup a date with her for thursday night. (or friday, but i recommend thursday) all you need to do is talk to her for 5 minutes (10 minutes max). this is the best way to show her you are interested.
if she says "she has to think about it" or "i dont know", tell her "think about it, and call me back tomorrow". if she calls back and does decide to go, accept it (trust me on this one). if she says she cant, brush it off because this shouldnt effect you. make a ****y + funny comment and then tell her you have to go. now end contact with her and go find yourself another girl. if she wants you back, she will come after you. if she doesnt, she either isnt interested, or is shy wondering if you like her or not.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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