"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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If you have read past threads, I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.

The tables have turned now and I am moving out and moving out to a good area too. Renting on my own income. They thought they could play the ostracising, manipulating game, but they cannot ignore things now.

They're not really willing to listen to me and dismiss everything.

I'm having a tough home life and my father and sister do not wish to listen, nor do they say anything. I can have my own life and do things just like everyone else is suppose to? I'm a man now, does they want to listen? What happens if someone challenges them and says 'but your son/brother' said he is doing this, that, 'why are you reacting negative' say nothing. Maybe I should forget about my sister.

They don't listen, my father's needs, financial needs which I give money every week I catered for. What's he acting timid for to others?

My sister again, I am moving out and approaching women, online, she doesn't say the right things to others.

Online comp sci degree: dismiss that even with proof

First time I said:

Moving out: say where I get money from and dismiss that even with proof, I told everyone and will move out
Going abroad in few months: again they dismiss that
Income: dismiss that

They think I have no income, I'm nothing.

So they have no respect for me and playing me around. I'm afraid they call the authorities with everything, what's their problem, only do it to me.

I do not need her approval, but who is she to play with my life? Get angry when I say I'm moving out, doing this?
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Check out Joshua Fluke's channel on youtube. He does quite a few videos on how his family was using him for money then lying to him and using the money for drugs and stupid sh!t instead of trying to get their lives back on track. They would only be nice to him when they wanted something from him.

Things are likely going to change when you start to really make money and have a fun life. But if they can't be supportive of you, fvck em. You're entitled to disown your family if they're garbage people.
 

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Actions speak louder than words.

Stop looking to your family for approval and support.

Make your self a list of what you have to do to be happy with where you are for yourself.

If you are truly a self sufficient adult with an income source and place to live, go do it. If they have a conservatorship on you because of some developmental, mental or physical issues then that is a different story...
 

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What to do with the family members
I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.
Basically you need to cut all the negative people out of your life, family members or not - they have to go. I've done that long time ago and couldn't happier. :up:
 

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Stop looking to your family for approval and support.
I agree. The worst thing you can do is doing the long ever holy quest for your parents to one day say:
Son I'm proud of you.

F'uck that.
It only leads to misery and self sabotage and loss of years of your life doing it. (Example: You start doing thing you don't really want for the approval of your dad/mom etc.)

All you need is that you are proud of yourself and you life choices.
That is all what matters.

Yet for some reason we tend to chase this meaningless approval for no reason.
 
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If you have read past threads, I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.

The tables have turned now and I am moving out and moving out to a good area too. Renting on my own income. They thought they could play the ostracising, manipulating game, but they cannot ignore things now.

They're not really willing to listen to me and dismiss everything.

I'm having a tough home life and my father and sister do not wish to listen, nor do they say anything. I can have my own life and do things just like everyone else is suppose to? I'm a man now, does they want to listen? What happens if someone challenges them and says 'but your son/brother' said he is doing this, that, 'why are you reacting negative' say nothing. Maybe I should forget about my sister.

They don't listen, my father's needs, financial needs which I give money every week I catered for. What's he acting timid for to others?

My sister again, I am moving out and approaching women, online, she doesn't say the right things to others.

Online comp sci degree: dismiss that even with proof

First time I said:

Moving out: say where I get money from and dismiss that even with proof, I told everyone and will move out
Going abroad in few months: again they dismiss that
Income: dismiss that

They think I have no income, I'm nothing.

So they have no respect for me and playing me around. I'm afraid they call the authorities with everything, what's their problem, only do it to me.

I do not need her approval, but who is she to play with my life? Get angry when I say I'm moving out, doing this?
First off, proud of you man.

Second, you made the right move by moving out. One of the hardest things I've had to do is cut ties with people that do not contribute anything of value to my life or even worse devalue it. This includes family members. And know it is okay to do that.

Third, you live your life. No one is going to live your life for you, that was given to you and you alone. That is your path, walk it.

Use this time to build yourself up and do things that make YOU happy.

Last but not least, simply cut contact with them for a while.


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If you have read past threads, I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.

The tables have turned now and I am moving out and moving out to a good area too. Renting on my own income. They thought they could play the ostracising, manipulating game, but they cannot ignore things now.

They're not really willing to listen to me and dismiss everything.

I'm having a tough home life and my father and sister do not wish to listen, nor do they say anything. I can have my own life and do things just like everyone else is suppose to? I'm a man now, does they want to listen? What happens if someone challenges them and says 'but your son/brother' said he is doing this, that, 'why are you reacting negative' say nothing. Maybe I should forget about my sister.

They don't listen, my father's needs, financial needs which I give money every week I catered for. What's he acting timid for to others?

My sister again, I am moving out and approaching women, online, she doesn't say the right things to others.

Online comp sci degree: dismiss that even with proof

First time I said:

Moving out: say where I get money from and dismiss that even with proof, I told everyone and will move out
Going abroad in few months: again they dismiss that
Income: dismiss that

They think I have no income, I'm nothing.

So they have no respect for me and playing me around. I'm afraid they call the authorities with everything, what's their problem, only do it to me.

I do not need her approval, but who is she to play with my life? Get angry when I say I'm moving out, doing this?
Why would they call the authorities on you? You didn't do anything wrong.

Are you able to move out sooner than you plan to?
 

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Thanks guys.

No one deserves to be treated like this.

They deliberately play games, ostracise, act sly, manipulative.

They're do not wish to listen.

However I am moving out in a few weeks.

Also in the community too they are ignoring any fine details and anything positive and just wish to play games.

I'm being silenced and undermined.
 
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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If you have read past threads, I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.

The tables have turned now and I am moving out and moving out to a good area too. Renting on my own income. They thought they could play the ostracising, manipulating game, but they cannot ignore things now.

They're not really willing to listen to me and dismiss everything.

I'm having a tough home life and my father and sister do not wish to listen, nor do they say anything. I can have my own life and do things just like everyone else is suppose to? I'm a man now, does they want to listen? What happens if someone challenges them and says 'but your son/brother' said he is doing this, that, 'why are you reacting negative' say nothing. Maybe I should forget about my sister.

They don't listen, my father's needs, financial needs which I give money every week I catered for. What's he acting timid for to others?

My sister again, I am moving out and approaching women, online, she doesn't say the right things to others.

Online comp sci degree: dismiss that even with proof

First time I said:

Moving out: say where I get money from and dismiss that even with proof, I told everyone and will move out
Going abroad in few months: again they dismiss that
Income: dismiss that

They think I have no income, I'm nothing.

So they have no respect for me and playing me around. I'm afraid they call the authorities with everything, what's their problem, only do it to me.

I do not need her approval, but who is she to play with my life? Get angry when I say I'm moving out, doing this?
I'm moving out within 3 weeks.

I do not know if my sister just lives to please others and she is a narcissist.

This is about my father and sister too and they do not listen to me, my income as well as earning income on the side.

If I want to live in a hotel for one day or go abroad, like my sister can, I can.

I already said I'm doing OLD and seeking for somone abroad, they did not listen and putting me in a circus where all they have to do is tell others and someone asked me for proof and my qualifications, wth-I do not owe anyone or need to be dicated by anyone.
 

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I'm moving out within 3 weeks.

I do not know if my sister just lives to please others and she is a narcissist.

This is about my father and sister too and they do not listen to me, my income as well as earning income on the side.

If I want to live in a hotel for one day or go abroad, like my sister can, I can.

I already said I'm doing OLD and seeking for somone abroad, they did not listen and putting me in a circus where all they have to do is tell others and someone asked me for proof and my qualifications, wth-I do not owe anyone or need to be dicated by anyone.
don't matter if they listen or not, stop talking at all, why waste time on people who don't listen?, also don't share your adress, cut the monetary help and disapear, if they call say you are busy and turn it off.

main issue you still care, you need to stop caring, then you will feel free, also try not to be upfront with info about you to then and anyone close to then
 

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Thanks guys I really appreciate it.

They are trying to overpower, control and bully.

The problem is why dont my father and sister say anything like no to them.

They undermine and condense when its the opposite.

They wish to jeopardize and control the relatives.

They just say negative things when I am moving ahead.

Very solid suggestions here so thank you very much all.
 

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When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Get rid of toxic people regardless who they are.

I cut out most of my family and my life has been much better, sometime I wonder what a winner I could have been already as a kid if I wasnt forced to have them around and be dependant from them back then.
 

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Why would they call the authorities on you? You didn't do anything wrong.

Are you able to move out sooner than you plan to?
It's similar to a threat of violence. It's done to back you up a little bit, to inject fear, uncertainty and doubt. To get you to second guess yourself. To slow you down. You don't have to do anything.
 

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Actions speak louder than words.

Stop looking to your family for approval and support.

Make your self a list of what you have to do to be happy with where you are for yourself.

If you are truly a self sufficient adult with an income source and place to live, go do it. If they have a conservatorship on you because of some developmental, mental or physical issues then that is a different story...
When family does these things to "shut you down", I agree and even they know and don't understand why you still listen to them or care what they think. Perhaps it's all done to make you to fly on your own and be accountable for yourself.
 

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First off, proud of you man.

Second, you made the right move by moving out. One of the hardest things I've had to do is cut ties with people that do not contribute anything of value to my life or even worse devalue it. This includes family members. And know it is okay to do that.

Third, you live your life. No one is going to live your life for you, that was given to you and you alone. That is your path, walk it.

Use this time to build yourself up and do things that make YOU happy.

Last but not least, simply cut contact with them for a while.


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It's at that point of personal responsibility that your growth can occur more unimpeded. It's a part of taking care of ourselves, our lives.
 

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If you have read past threads, I've had toxic family members and I have got bullied and abused.

The tables have turned now and I am moving out and moving out to a good area too. Renting on my own income. They thought they could play the ostracising, manipulating game, but they cannot ignore things now.

They're not really willing to listen to me and dismiss everything.

I'm having a tough home life and my father and sister do not wish to listen, nor do they say anything. I can have my own life and do things just like everyone else is suppose to? I'm a man now, does they want to listen? What happens if someone challenges them and says 'but your son/brother' said he is doing this, that, 'why are you reacting negative' say nothing. Maybe I should forget about my sister.

They don't listen, my father's needs, financial needs which I give money every week I catered for. What's he acting timid for to others?

My sister again, I am moving out and approaching women, online, she doesn't say the right things to others.

Online comp sci degree: dismiss that even with proof

First time I said:

Moving out: say where I get money from and dismiss that even with proof, I told everyone and will move out
Going abroad in few months: again they dismiss that
Income: dismiss that

They think I have no income, I'm nothing.

So they have no respect for me and playing me around. I'm afraid they call the authorities with everything, what's their problem, only do it to me.

I do not need her approval, but who is she to play with my life? Get angry when I say I'm moving out, doing this?
Man you need to get out of this Victim Mentaltiy immediately.. this s.hit will kill you. This is something that is hard for me to get into because it would cause me to write a ton and go back and forth with you but..

what you're exhibiting is Victim mentality. and it definitely does have stuff to do with people treating u wrong in the past -- but the past is the past.. you need to kill this style of thinking, and ASAP as it can be very damaging to yourself.

As a man you are in control of your circumstances, your emotions and your actions/choices. Don't settle for less and start taking responsibility for how you feel and how you react to things.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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