"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What *they* find attractive

sambwoy

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One thing I noticed is cliques that people talk about.

I notice in college culture how attractive a guy is depends on what the girl's group finds attractive, not what the individual in the group finds attractive. It still continues after the teens.

I find this so mentally and psychologically frustrating, being a guy who was bullied and then socially put down by girls and spoken down to. I used to self-harm over this stuff.

Why is this?
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Mike32ct

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Women are herd creatures. They are also status/reputation obsessed, so they don't like to go against the group. Plenty of girls might secretly find some guy attractive but refuse to date him because she might be judged harshly by the group.

So they pull a " 9 0 2 1 0" and largely only hook up with "certified" guys from their group in some sort of rotation.
 

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Another way of viewing it is that women experience trust as an accelerant to intimacy. Her circle is vetted, is known, she can trust them. Therefore she can love them.

Also in a social world that is on fire with possibilities and opportunities, e.g. people to meet, places to go, groups to mingle with - its one of the most reliable filtering mechanisms, since she can fall back on the collective intelligence of the group for any given decision.

Its hard being a loner!
 

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NewJack said:
Another way of viewing it is that women experience trust as an accelerant to intimacy. Her circle is vetted, is known, she can trust them. Therefore she can love them.

Also in a social world that is on fire with possibilities and opportunities, e.g. people to meet, places to go, groups to mingle with - its one of the most reliable filtering mechanisms, since she can fall back on the collective intelligence of the group for any given decision.

Its hard being a loner!
Yes. The group can at least ensure that he's not ax murderer, so she can feel safe around him.

Another angle is that women know it is more difficult to get pumped and dumped within a social circle.
 

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Mike32ct said:
Plenty of girls might secretly find some guy attractive but refuse to date him because she might be judged harshly by the group.
That's a real gremlin of mine. It has been said on here several times that on either an individual or group basis, that if *they* aren't interested sexually you are 'not a human being'. I hate to admit it but I have become a guy who gets really surprised these days when some younger girl/girl his own age is actually nice to him. At other times I used to find them be openly critical and condescending, so the rest of the time I perhaps project sadness to others, because I cannot mentally process this behaviour.

Some won't even talk to you on the grounds that you are 'not cute enough'? Is this 'right'?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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