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What the redpill got wrong

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
 

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I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them
Redpill as the godfather stated. Women cant love you the way your idealization of that love is in your mind.
I dont think the redpill got much wrong if anything but maybe the single mom BS.

Or telling a 50 yr old to not date anyone older then 25. Game to me is both subject and objective sprinkled with your own experiences relative to your current situation.
Whether or not she is 25 or a single mom a men is still the head and should be respected because what we see as love is actually respect.
An obedient woman gains +1 point on my scale regardless of looks.

As far as mating strategies. Women have evolved in clans and villages. Men had multiple wives in his tribe and hardly ever the other way around.
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
I disagree in part. I think if most men had their druthers they'd bang a new attractive woman whenever they could. But if most women had their way they'd find their perfect man sooner than later and start popping out kids.

I do think you're right about women and oneitis. They have a more natural sense of abundance and know when to move on better. Men catch oneitis usually due to lack of options above all else.

As for women wanting indifferent men, this is an old saw, they don't ever want the guy to be 100% taken with her. If he gives her a little competition anxiety, she won't feel the need to branch swing.
 

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Women just love different things, you have the things women love and they will be all over you.

If other more attractive women fawn over you, then that will make her love you. Women are perfectly happy to share one high status man then have a beta male all to herself
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
I am impressed, this means you had some fill of women in ur life.

Let's see what the rest of the virgins here say.
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
I see this as mostly plausible. Very nice observation!
 

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As for women wanting indifferent men, this is an old saw, they don't ever want the guy to be 100% taken with her
If he is then hes no focusing on his own survival which is vital to her potential offspring even though she may not have it as a goal it is a biological thing running in her background. Good point sam.
 

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Hard to say, I believe there are different types of men as much as different type of women especially according to the evolution of the group they belonged.

In a cold underpopulated environments women who branchswinged didnt last much especially if they missed a "branch" and surely didnt their kids lasted long.

On warm populated environments both men and women could afford certain behaviours, especially women since invading armies were mostly made of men only and women were usually part of the loot when winning.

Think of sicily invaded from greeks (mostly men except the commanders who could bring their wives), then from the romans, then from arabs and again from normans and so on...needless to say that branchswinging paid in such environments and its no coincidence that sicialian men are the most jealous ones.

Regarding men its also hard to say cause we have men that are very committed to being productive or reach a certain goal that see women/family as an item to fix asap before going back to work while we have other men that see fvcking as much as possibile a goal and not as a perk who take validation from that.

One sure thing is that populations with unstable families do not built skyscrapers or sent people to the moon.
 

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I think in general men have other things to worry about other than romance so having your perfect "10" is very convenient. The average guy who has his perfect woman begins to plan for wealth, retirement, his kids' future, etc. Romance is just one element in his life.

There is also that whole thing about trying to become great in life and making your mark in the world that men are afflicted with.

As for women, Romance IS their passion. And I am not talking about just romantic relationships. I mean romance in general. They want the full experience. From sleeping with bad boys to getting gang banged to playing house and motherhood. And most have the whole experience. In fact, the more taboo an experience, the more desire she will have for it. For example, a female teacher with a happy family who throws it all away to seduce a teen student.

Given these two different natures (the man seeks greatness when he already has romance, while women live for romance and nothing else), I propose every man has his perfect woman and have 5-6 side chicks. This way you won't be blindsided when she branch swings.
 

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As for women. Romance IS their passion. And I am not talking about romantic relationships. I mean romance in general. They want the full experience. From sleeping with bad boys to getting gang banged to playing house and motherhood. And most have the whole experience. In fact, the more taboo an experience, the more desire she will have for it. For example, a female teacher with a happy family who throws it all away to seduce a teen student.
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
There have been made scientific tests. It all has been settled.

Men don't know if the kid is theirs. Why would you invest everything in a kid that is maybe not yours?

You have the chance to make thousand babies for a a reason. Nature didn't give you this skill for fun alone.

Women can not make many children. They have to invest in what they have. More sex doesn't give much more babies.

Sperm is cheap so it's abundant
Eggs are expensive so it's rare.

Rollo Tomassi must have written 1mio papers about it
 

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There have been made scientific tests. It all has been settled.

Men don't know if the kid is theirs. Why would you invest everything in a kid that is maybe not yours?

You have the chance to make thousand babies for a a reason. Nature didn't give you this skill for fun alone.

Women can not make many children. They have to invest in what they have. More sex doesn't give much more babies.

Sperm is cheap so it's abundant
Eggs are expensive so it's rare.

Rollo Tomassi must have written 1mio papers about it
The extent that people go to try and prove a successful theory based off history and science is mind boggling isn't it
Its like we are the only species on the planet that purposely tries to reject itself as part of the animal kingdom.
 

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I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

Notice the knife? No oneitis here huh. If your theory was true why not just walk out and call her other men?

Ill add that i think there is a lot of confusion between onitis for a man and being zeroed out. One might say that oneitis causes him to be zeroed out but i argue that he was zero before oneitis.
 

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Women suck at playing the long game. They don’t realize that when they lose their only strategy (looks) they lose it ALL. Some continue to try to play the games they always knew but they can no longer get away with it. Why do you think the cat adoption and wine industry is so popular? Why do you think the feminist movement promotes “strong and INDEPENDANT women”? Because they’re alone as fvck. A man can be alone and be happy, women can’t. That abundance they once enjoyed is gone forever and they waited too long to choose one man to settle down with.
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
I agree to a point. you don't want to overrate the current system and apply it to historical humanity. In the current system, men have become far more tamed due to the market and women have become totally liberated to the point of absolute abundance and opulence of men. so that's why things look very different than they did in the past. I think maybe you are underrating male desire to f*** around but I think you are on point as far as women
 

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One of the premises of the redpill is that a mans mating strategy is to spread his seed with as women as possible, while a womans strategy is to pair bond with one mate

I actually believe the total opposite is true

Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason

Women on the hand are naturally flirty with everyone and sexually flexible, spinning plates comes naturally to them, they don't have to learn how to do it. When a womans relationship breaks down, she is rarely hurt but instead single and ready to "mingle"

I don't believe women catch oneitis nearly as much as men do. They are enamored by the top guys yes, but I don't think they love them

I also believe this is the reason women don't like clingy guys and instead go for indifferent guys, because they always want the freedom to swing from branch to branch
Interesting observation but it 100% goes against our DNA programming and how we evolved as a species. You can't breed these tendencies out in a generation or two. It's like telling a lion to subsist on leaves and grapes.

However, culture has affected attitudes over the decades like the advent of technology and social norms. The other thing is that men have become so f*ucking weak the past few decades it's getting hard to differentiate the attitudes and goals of men and women. Women now seem to be the aggressors and are more goal oriented than young males these days. This is due in part to lower T biologically in men, again proven fact, and the proliferation of feminism. So today, you see women wearing the balls because most men don't have any.

BUT, if were talking how we're wired, men are the seed spreaders and women are the nesters. This is a proven fact.

If today's men would "man up" you'd see a radical shift in women's behavior and attitude.
 

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Men are more likely to want to pair bond because it gives them a constant access to sex and ensures their genes survival. When relationships break down they hit men tremendously hard for this reason.
Constant access to sex is the key phrase here. Outside of the top tier men, most men are putting in a ton of effort to get sex. Men wish to retain their partners so as to not have to put in enormous effort to get laid. When marriages end in divorce, it is the woman who is filing for divorce 80%+ of the time. The woman is turning off the sex spigot most of the time. In non-marital relationships, it is likely the woman who is opting out of the relationship and breaking up with the man the majority of the time. With regard to app swiping first dates, typically the woman is offered a second date over 90% according to some female acquaintances I've known that use swipe apps.

Women suck at playing the long game. They don’t realize that when they lose their only strategy (looks) they lose it ALL. Some continue to try to play the games they always knew but they can no longer get away with it. Why do you think the cat adoption and wine industry is so popular? Why do you think the feminist movement promotes “strong and INDEPENDANT women”? Because they’re alone as fvck. A man can be alone and be happy, women can’t. That abundance they once enjoyed is gone forever and they waited too long to choose one man
This is partially true. There is no wall. The wall is really a soft padded cushion. There are plenty of women 45-64 who are getting plenty of interest on dating websites (the upper bounds of that group still uses websites more than swipe apps).

If you're a 55 year old woman with kids over 18 and independent and you have a normal weight BMI, your inbox on Match and OurTime is going to be flooded with messages from beta males. These betas rationalize that since her kids are over 18, they are no longer dealing with a single mom.
 

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Notice the knife? No oneitis here huh. If your theory was true why not just walk out and call her other men?

Ill add that i think there is a lot of confusion between onitis for a man and being zeroed out. One might say that oneitis causes him to be zeroed out but i argue that he was zero before oneitis.
I'm not saying women don't get oneitis. They do. I'm saying they are more likely to move on than men are

I think break ups hit men harder. And that women are far more likely to end relationships in the first place

I think this is because women are natural plate spinners and branch swingers. They are more sexually open and flexible than men are

Men are more conservative and controlling. We want to ensure we are King to that woman and that our genes get passed on
 

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I think break ups hit men harder. And that women are far more likely to end relationships in the first place
They certainly do. For many many reasons too and personally i think part of it is modern mankind has moved away from evolved principles.

They may not get oneitis in the same we do but they need a man in some form or another eventually. There is probably 100 ways to come at this subject and come to different conclusions.

Women in past times were viewed quite differently.
 

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Interesting observation but it 100% goes against our DNA programming and how we evolved as a species. You can't breed these tendencies out in a generation or two. It's like telling a lion to subsist on leaves and grapes.

However, culture has affected attitudes over the decades like the advent of technology and social norms. The other thing is that men have become so f*ucking weak the past few decades it's getting hard to differentiate the attitudes and goals of men and women. Women now seem to be the aggressors and are more goal oriented than young males these days. This is due in part to lower T biologically in men, again proven fact, and the proliferation of feminism. So today, you see women wearing the balls because most men don't have any.

BUT, if were talking how we're wired, men are the seed spreaders and women are the nesters. This is a proven fact.

If today's men would "man up" you'd see a radical shift in women's behavior and attitude.
I agree. For the guys fortunate enough to date pre-feminism and before internet got mainstream like back in the dial-up days, we were lucky to at least witness the different dynamics in dating that put us either on level playing field or gave us the advantage. And women back then didn't tolerate soy-boys or pvssies of any kind. Men had to be men or they couldn't get dates.
 
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