"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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What seems to be going wrong, could I be giving off a desperate vibe?

Adakkon

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Well it's been almost two months since my last HB, so I've been pushing myself to sarge more and more during the weekends, but they have all been failures lately.

A few nights ago I thought I was doing good with this one set of HBs at a party, they were laughing constantly, I felt I was projecting confidence, they were all single, I didn't tease much but I felt like I was on a joking spree and they all kept laughing so I stuck mostly to that, but as I tried to isolate one of the girls I got the distinct vibe of not interested. I trust my instincts because they have never really gone wrong with womens interests, so I started to focus on a different one in a group, got the same vibe, then started focusing on the last and least attractive one, which went sort of mixed, could have probably called her up the next day but didn't really want to.

Only thing I can think of that might have gone wrong is that I stayed with that group talking to them for pretty much the entire party and maybe even though I didn't feel like I was, I was looking desperate with my non stop flirtation? The parties I go to are usually medium size, and in this case they were the only grouping of single women there so it's not like I could really go around flirting with other girls intermitedly.

Is flirting/working on a group for a few hours too much? Could I have been giving off a desperate vibe by only talking to them (and a friend who came over to flirt with a 4th girl, who ended up wanting to hook up with him).
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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ryannath

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Yes, you were acting desperate. You were out on the prowl looking for some a$$ and they knew it because you spent so much time with them and not doing other things. Most of the time when I get a girl interested in me, it's not from me hitting on them, it's by me having a good time, and being a fun guy around everyone. By having high value. Not from hitting on them.
 
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Why didn't you isolate one of them - instead of becoming their chum!:rolleyes:

"Hey, would you like to dance?"
 

resilient

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You needed a wing to isolate. The only way I could have saw the HB trying to win you back would be through negs and qualifiers. Once she proved herself to you, than she would have complied to isolation. Up until that point they saw through your charades.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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TheHoff

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I read somewere that you should think of the girl your chatting up as having a hairy ass!! that would definately give off the vibe that your not desperate
 
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