What no posts about Trump's Obama tap wire allegations?? LOL

[Bible_Belt]

The benefits of sterilizing the idiots out-weighs the cost IMO.

I don't even see how that can be an opinion and not a fact.

 

[speed dawg]

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What is costly about not sterilizing them or giving them birth control?

Why is it costly not to?

So we don't have roving packs of 'teens' for one. Let's face it, some people are going to continually make dumb choices and inflict suffering on the rest of society. The last thing we need is for them to multiply. Let's not pretend that any of those people have any delusion about creating good children, they are simply f*cking to f*ck. The kids they create have no chance.

Again, my viewpoint is not a popular one.

 

[speed dawg]

What is the relationship between roving packs of teens and birth control?

Other than the near-fact that the packs wouldn't exist to create havoc?

It's essentially using liberal methods against them. They want to destroy the family structure to create a bunch of nimrods who will eventually vote democrat. They also want more birth control. I say put the birth control in the hands of the right people and prevent over-population by idiots. Society then tends to lean back towards civility again.

I recognize this can step on people's toes. Not all children born out of wedlock are nimrods. I get that part of it. People still have to make choices.

People are going to f*ck. Right now, we offer sterilization to the middle and upper portions of society, and not to the lower portions. I would imagine more f*cking happens the lower you go.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The cost to imprison someone for a year is $35-60K, depending on location. The cost for a household on welfare is a similar amount per year - not just the benefits received, but the total costs including administration.

A gas station condom is $2. We're asking someone who has no money, and whose housing, food, and healthcare are government-funded to spend $2 every time they want to fvck. It's not going to happen.

 

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Something like 40% of children under 5 in the US are on some sort of welfare.

 

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Obamacare is the only reason I have health insurance right now through Medicaid. The Republicans are going to take that away, because I am an able-bodied adult, which is defined as having no disabilities and no dependents. If I would just adopt a Syrian refugee, then I would get my health insurance back...plus food stamps....plus housing. Our welfare state is built around kids. It's not their fault they were born poor, but at the same time, they are likely the result of a system than incentivizes having children that you can't support. Preventing those children saves a lot of money.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So would shooting all the old people who are drawing down the system with geriatric welfare. That doesn't make either one a good idea.

 

[speed dawg]

If so, does abortion reduce crime and welfare too?

Honest truth - YES.

There is a moral issue in there. Birth control solves it. I cannot support abortion, especially the way the doctors do it and have done it.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So are you against abortion in general?

Yes, I absolutely am against abortion. I'm also against heroin. But I don't think making either one of them illegal is the best way to make those problems go away.

 

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I don't want you to shoot meth, either, but I don't think using the law and the threat of prison time is the best way to accomplish that goal. I would support a policy that kept abortion legal, but used public money to subsidize adoption and every other resource for pregnant women.

I have a few friends who have adopted. You have to go to Africa or China if you want a baby. And they only sell girls. We shouldn't be aborting kids here when there are families who want to adopt. I don't think it is right to force any pregnant woman to carry a baby she doesn't want, but on a macro level, we can still reduce abortions by giving those women other choices.

 

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If you don't kill the kid, someone has to pay to raise it. The rationale for court-ordered child support is that those women will turn to public aid and welfare, so the taxpayers end up raising the child.

My dad's dad was a university professor and Colonel in the Army Reserve. One day he went out for a pack of smokes and never came back. My dad and his brother both had to drop out of school after junior high to get jobs and pay bills. They never got a dime of child support. I don't think returning to the good ole days like that is the right answer.

 

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http://www.businessinsider.com/report-fear-and-paranoia-set-in-at-the-white-house-2017-3
Fear and paranoia reportedly set in at the White House as staffers fear possibility of being spied on
“It’s not paranoia if people really are out to get you, and everybody actually is out to get everyone else.”