What no posts about Trump's Obama tap wire allegations?? LOL

[Reyaj]

Funny how all you treating Trump like the Messiah have nothing to say about this.

Another great investment of time and money just like his crusade to prove Obama wasn't born here LOL

What's sad is I was starting to come around to this moron seeing how the liberal media spins everything, but even the Republican party isn't defending this one. This guy is a moron.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The people who voted for Trump think Obama is the anti-Christ. They'll believe anything.

 

[Trunks]

Whether or not Obama ordered it, that a wire tap occurred is not far-fetched:

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...rump-is-absolutely-right-about-wiretap-claims

 

[Bokanovsky]

We know from today's Wikileaks release (and have know for some time really) that the "intelligence community" hacks into computers, smartphones, and apparently even TVs to turn them into improvised surveillance devices. So perhaps they are telling the truth when they say that there was no "wire tapping"...in the very narrow sense of that phrase. But do you really believe that the spooks were not eavesdropping on conversations inside the Trump Tower one way or the other? You have to be really naive to believe that.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The CIA is able to do that by infiltrating the factories where the devices are made, and making sure their special part gets installed instead of the manufacturer's. That creates a back door to access when desired. But somehow I doubt that it's only the CIA who can open those doors to peek in. Maybe the Russians tapped Trump by using the CIA's devices.

 

[Serenity]

Because I'm sick and fvcking tired of hearing about politics. No matter where I go it's anti this and pro that. Fvck it all I say.

I stopped following news, I'm tired of seeing that ugly old attention wh0re every fvcking day.

 

[backseatjuan]

But do you really believe that the spooks were not eavesdropping on conversations inside the Trump Tower one way or the other? You have to be really naive to believe that.

Oh you have to be naïve to think that intelligence services would not eves drop on a presidential candidate.

 

[logicallefty]

As a Trump voter and supporter, my answer is that sometimes too much talking too early on is a waste of time. I admit that The left is much better at talking than we are.

 

[Korrupt]

Location:

California

LOL I hope your entire stay breaks off and sinks.

 

[YawataNoKami]

Location:

California

LOL I hope your entire stay breaks off and sinks.

I'm sure we can ask the illegals in the sanctuary cities to pay to fix the dam...Right guys? ...Right? For every dollar spent on fixing Cuckifornia, 5 must be removed from social programs starting with illegal immigrants, felons, and refugees. OP go back to your safe space. Commiefornia............The fuk.

 

[speed dawg]

The people who voted for Trump think Obama is the anti-Christ. They'll believe anything.

He was a pretty bad president, whether you hate Republicans/conservatives or not.

For example, the issue of ObamaCare is not an opinion one - it's a math issue. It's very clear that it was a failed program. His foreign policy can, nearly factually, also be called a failure when the free world laughs at the guy. No respect.

 

[Bible_Belt]

the issue of ObamaCare is not an opinion one

I went from having zero health insurance to getting a state Med card, where everything is virtually free. Now, the Republicans are going to kick me back off Medicaid, and I will go back to having zero health insurance again. There are millions of people just like me. And we're still going to get healthcare - but that cost will now be borne by the healthcare providers, who will raise their price to the paying customers like you to make up for their loss on people like me. You're going to end up paying for me, whether you like it or not.

 

[logicallefty]

the issue of ObamaCare is not an opinion one

I went from having zero health insurance to getting a state Med card, where everything is virtually free. Now, the Republicans are going to kick me back off Medicaid, and I will go back to having zero health insurance again. There are millions of people just like me. And we're still going to get healthcare - but that cost will now be borne by the healthcare providers, who will raise their price to the paying customers like you to make up for their loss on people like me. You're going to end up paying for me, whether you like it or not.

I have no issue, as a tax paying Republican who works 3 x jobs, temporarily paying for your or anyone else's health care for a 'temporary and reasonable time'. However, unless you have been declared medically disabled then I would expect that you are out looking for employment that would ultimately provide you with health care so you do not have to depend on the Government the rest of your life.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I have no issue, as a tax paying Republican who works 3 x jobs, temporarily paying for your or anyone else's health care for a 'temporary and reasonable time'. However, unless you have been declared medically disabled then I would expect that you are out looking for employment that would ultimately provide you with health care so you do not have to depend on the Government the rest of your life.

That logic would make sense if there were not twice as many able-bodied people as there are jobs. There are simply not enough jobs for everyone to work. Furthermore, most of them are 30-hour a week paying minimum wage (thanks to Obamacare, full-time minimum wage jobs are rare right now). So you're asking someone to work at a job that pays $1,000/mo so they can spend $800 of that money on a sh!tty insurance policy that will never cover anything anyway. Syrian refugees wouldn't take that deal.

 

[Trunks]

As someone who thinks Obamacare was a disaster, let me say the Republicans' managed to come up with something even shyttier.

 

[logicallefty]

There are tons of jobs, they are just going to bunch of foreigners who went to school for something useful instead of women's studies.

Yep there are plenty of jobs in my neck of the woods. Anyone I know who wants to be working right now is working. People who don't want to work have other options now that they didn't once have. I'm probably a little more sour on this topic than most people. Back in 2013-2015 a young married couple I knew who had one young baby at the time fell on hard times. They were living in an abandoned warehouse in sub zero winter temps. When I heard of this I rushed an hour away to pick them up. Brought them back to my area. Provided them with free housing. All expenses paid. Plus a free spare vehicle of mine to drive. He even wrecked my truck twice and I still let him drive it. I had two things I wanted in return 1) don't be slobs, live neat AND 2) go get work and save save save for a place of your own. They stayed for 6 months and never found work, so they said. Whenever I would mention working the subject got quickly changed. Eventually I moved and made them leave. . We kept in touch. They moved to an area of Illinois where the job market was not as good as my area.. About 18 months later I let them move in with me again so they could live in a better job market..They SWORE they would do better this time.. Did they? Fuuuuuck no. They got even lazier yet. Sat around all day playing games and making messes. Started lieing to me about places they applied for jobs. Silly kids. I know people. You apply for a job most anywhere around my area, I got ways to verify it.. We had a falling out one Sunday afternoon via text while I was at work and they knew I was piiiiiiiii$$ed. So they left on their own free before I got off work will rather than face me that night. After that day I promised myself I was done trying to help poor people. As I said earlier I pay my taxes and I know people need temporary Government help at times. But that's where it stops at for me.

 

[Bible_Belt]

So you agree you have coverage then, even without Obamacare?

For emergency care, for the most part, yes. But not for any preventative care, which would be the type of spending that would save a lot of money in the long run. It's much cheaper to pay for the preventative care now, than for the problems it causes later.

Birth control is one good example. Call me a communist, but that sh!t ought to be free, for everyone, all the time, in all of its various forms. We'd spend a tiny amount of money up front and save massive amounts later. That paradigm can be applied toward a lot of types of healthcare, like disease screenings and treatment of STDs and contagious diseases. That is a good use of public money that helps everyone be healthier.

Prescription drug companies are raping the system as much as anyone. I remember having a gf on Nexium, which was $100 a month with insurance and $300/mo without, for a tiny pile of little pills. I found the active ingredient on a Chinese wholesale site. 50-gallon drums were a couple hundred bucks. It would have been a lifetime supply, for what they charge for one month.

 

[Bible_Belt]

There are 5.5 million vacant jobs in the US right now. Even subtracting 16, 17, and 65+ y/o people from the working age population, as well as college students, there are still 20 million people out there who should be working, but aren't. And most of those vacant jobs are vacant because they require extensive education, training, or experience.

The numbers don't add up to support the notion that we have the lowest work force participation rate in history simply because people are lazy. There are a lot more people than there are jobs.

 

[speed dawg]

For emergency care, for the most part, yes. But not for any preventative care, which would be the type of spending that would save a lot of money in the long run. It's much cheaper to pay for the preventative care now, than for the problems it causes later.

Birth control is one good example. Call me a communist, but that sh!t ought to be free, for everyone, all the time, in all of its various forms. We'd spend a tiny amount of money up front and save massive amounts later. That paradigm can be applied toward a lot of types of healthcare, like disease screenings and treatment of STDs and contagious diseases. That is a good use of public money that helps everyone be healthier.

Prescription drug companies are raping the system as much as anyone. I remember having a gf on Nexium, which was $100 a month with insurance and $300/mo without, for a tiny pile of little pills. I found the active ingredient on a Chinese wholesale site. 50-gallon drums were a couple hundred bucks. It would have been a lifetime supply, for what they charge for one month.

We certainly agree on the birth control.

 

[speed dawg]

@Bible_Belt @speed dawg

You both truly think that birth control should be funded by taxpayers?

Help me understand why please.....

The benefits of sterilizing the idiots out-weighs the cost IMO.

But there again......I bet Walmart is also very much for the distribution of welfare and other things......because the people who get welfare spend a big chunk of it at Walmart buying crap.

At the end of the day, subsidizing birth control wouldn't be something I supported in a perfect world. But in a perfect world you wouldn't need birth control either.