"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Eph

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Here's the deal. I felt like I needed to be more aggressive with a plate of mine. I've been doing nothing (With her), and decided to take action. My first plan was to establish some rapport with her by using something we both have in common: music. We both write songs, and I decided I'd use it to my advantage. I've been working on a song since the weekend and since I've never been good with making choruses, I thought I'd let her do it. Problem is at the moment, I'm having second thoughts about because of what the song is about: lost love, not getting the one you want, etc.

At first I was thinking of the possible (if I got extremely lucky; then again I'm pretty lucky but besides the point) benefits: it would show her a side I don't let others see, establish some sort of emotional connection (looking for a LTR with her), etc. But right now I'm thinking the negatives outweigh the (possible) goods. I was thinking about it earlier and it just seems now that I was in an AFC/Beta/whatever you wanna call it mindset.

Thing is, she already "accepted the offer", and I'm supposed to message her today. So right now, I can proceed as planned by taking a huge gamble (not really a fan of unnecessary risks) and send her the song so she can write a chorus for it, or I can either find another song or try to make another one by tomorrow and show her in person then.

Should I even be considering such a huge gamble on something that (Short-term) will result in so little and possibly, maybe (long-term) so much? Should I be playing with what possibly little attraction (and I know she has at least the minimum amount I could work with) she has for me? I guess my biggest "go with it" point is the fact she's (to my knowledge) deeply religious and my main "are you fvcking crazy" point is she's a woman, and even if religious she gets into fights (with other girls) every once in a while.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Its not lost love in general. It's a little more specific to my life, because I want my music to be more relate-able (to anyone, not just her). I've always been a fan of story-telling through song, so does this change your opinion or do you still think I'm over-thinking (which I probably am)?
 

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is there some other woman named in the song, or something? change the name, if so. what you scared of, she'll 'steal" your song? that's the mark of the complete amateur.
 

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No names in the song, other than my own. And I could care less if she "stole" it or not, I write for fun not profit.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Well ultimately decided against it and just rewrote about something else. It was about something I've wanted to write about for a while now, so either way it was fine. Messaged her at about 9 (she told me to message her (later) at around 3 but I was busy having fun) and while it lasted I was getting quick responses.

Me: You still up shorty? - 9:10
Her: -___- shorty? My name's _____. And why do you want me to write you a chorus? - 9:12
Me: Maybe I don't, maybe I just wanted a reason to talk to you - 9:26 (I admit it, I was stalling here)
Her: -___- Lame ass. You don't even talk to me in class so don't try to talk to me on facebook. - 9:27
Me: You told me to facebook you lol. We could of talked after class. - 9:31
Me: Seriously though, write me a chorus. - 9:41
(No response)
* Indicates paraphrased, slightly better grammatical, or rewritten slang.
She is pretty much the only person I don't talk to during our one class together. So, I've got some social proof. She seemed to be at least a little interested when she first talked to me. She also messes with me from time to time, as do I.

Tried to revive our previous conversation about her writing me a chorus today but when I jokingly asked if she had even started it, she just gave me a blatant no. I took her saying, "you don't even talk to me in class..." as her "inviting" me to talk to her more during class, but I don't know. I know she can be fun/playful, etc but it seems like she has a high initial ASD. In fact I know she does, her type always does. What should my next move be?
 

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"you don't even talk to me in class..." as her "inviting" me to talk to her more during class, but I don't know.

Wrong. Id say sh1t test, and you failed. Id of said something along the lines of "Thats because i just cling to every word out of the professors mouth, straight A students just arent born that way"
 

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Some time before or after i was thinking i should have said, "you don't talk to me during class. Takes two to tango". For future reference, good or bad? And what should i do now? I don't get much time during class to really talk to her but i do have time during our lunch.
 

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Hmm how should I reopen and get a conversation started? I'm no good at opening but can usually keep the ball rolling once its started. I only know of two things we have in common and one didn't really work out. Only other thing I know of is a tv show we both like.
 
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