"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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what i've been saying all along from one of your pros KillaPetehog

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The "genuinely good man" and the "player" http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=142178

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The "genuinely good man" and the "player"


There’s 2 different ways to attract women.

The first way..and the most difficult..abeit most rewarding way…is to be the best man that you can be. That means that you excel in everything that you can. Any weakness that you see within yourself, you push yourself so hard to constantly improve and become a better man.

Work at it step-by-step.

What’s important is that there’s progress!

If women see that you’re trying, that you’re trying to be something…they’ll start to see you in a new light.

It doesn’t have to be all at once.

What’s important is that you’re doing your best and that there’s progress.

Think to yourself, “What are 5 things that I need to improve and change?”

And work to improve in them…In other words, as long as women see that you’re trying to go at a certain goal, they can sense your determination, drive and ambition.

That’s the first way.

Then there’s the second way. The path of a player.

Do you know why players succeed?

It’s because players fool women.

Players don’t try to be the “best in life” or “be all that”. But they make women believe that.

Remember the wording I used.

They make women believe it.

What only matters is if the woman thinks that you are the right man.

Let’s face it.

What happens if you get the “player” and put him in front of a woman…and tell him to not flirt with other women in front of her….

The woman thinks this “player” is the perfect man.

And the truth is, he’s not. He just knows to flaunt it and act like it.

The woman is confused, because he’s not a “nice guy”. In other words, the “player” isn’t a doormat.

But the “player” isn’t a jerk either. He doesn’t talk down to women. He plays with her affectionately.

And a woman will have some difficulty finding the difference between the “genuinely good man” and the “player”.

You’ll find that there are a lot of us…who haven’t necessarily become “better men”.

We just got better at “acting” that way.

And I guess…..does it really matter…if you get the same results?

What I’m trying to really get across is that the “player” acts like the “good man” and this sometimes throws women off.

Let’s look at an example of how the “player” thinks and how the “genuinely good guy” thinks.

1. The player thinks of canned lines and funny and ****y lines to use to say to a woman.

2. The “genuinely good man” knows how to talk. He has taught himself to TALK.

End result: The woman thinks that the “player” is a funny and charismatic
guy. The woman also thinks that the genuinely good man is also a funny and charismatic guy.

The difference being that the “genuinely good man” is legit. He has trained himself and excelled in social mastery..whereas the “player” did not.

Let’s look at another situation. The playground.

1. The player approaches as many women as he can. For in his mind, the player with the most rejections is the one with the most phone numbers.

2. The “genuinely good man” doesn’t care so much about approaching a million women, but rather looks for a “genuinely good woman”. In other words, he knows and realizes that the “genuinely good woman” is not going to be some half-drunk floozy woman at a club. The “genuinely good men” realizes that there’s more to women than just sex, that there’s more to them than that.

So what is the point that I’m trying to get across?

There’s one major problem with the “game”.

It won’t last.

Do you know why we have such terrible advice on “long term relationships”?

It’s because they don’t last long.

Nobody reaches that point.

They think, “Oh no! that’s oneits. I’m too manly for that!”

What a sad, sad misconception…for thinking like that will get you the women that you deserve…

A stupid and irrational woman who’s full of emotional baggage and has no respect for herself and vents that all upon you.

What an empty life.

Let me say it again.

The problem with the “game” and “playing games” is that they don’t last long.

The reason why we have such terrible advice on long-term relationships, is that these “player rules” are tailored for the quick lay. They don’t teach you to go for a woman of substance.

What happens when you play games with a woman?

It won’t last long.

Women aren’t that stupid.

They’ll be able to tell if you’re a fake, a player or anything like that….after some time.


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Become a genuine and respectful person yourself and seek to attract the same in a romantic partner. You can't game genuineness, it is either there or it isn't.


So what’s the point of my blabbering?

My point is this. I used to think the same way as most of you guys.

I used to think that women were stupid, irrational, dumb, drama and only good for fuking…that oneitis was for chumps.

For it is man..who chooses the angel with the heart of a demon.

And one day I grew up and stopped acting like the “player”.

And instead, I strived to become a “genuinely good man”.

And what I found was this. When I worked on becoming a better man and not so much on acting like it, I attracted the “right girl”, the “genuinely good woman”.

Believe me, they’re out there.

But they don’t go for players.
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I HOLLER. THEY FOLLER.

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Here's some interesting points from another forum..


“The attributes of “genuinely good guys” are often mirrored by players and dirt balls because they know showing you what you want to see in order to get what they want.”

“A GOOD player is selective, which is what makes it more difficult to distinguish him from a good guy. A player is too much, too soon, too fast.”

“Genuine just means that he is honest with himself. A player is neither here nor there when discussing honesty. ”

“I agree that a good player is sometimes difficult to distinguish, from men who have hearts and souls. If you aren't able to distinguish right away, time always tells. No one can keep up an act forever.”

“Yes you can tell the difference between the “genuinely good man” and the “player”, but unfortunately, only after you've had the misfortune of some dealings with a couple of them. Once you have been run over by one or two, you can see them coming a mile away.”

“Time will tell, everybody can be fooled at first, but after a while the player will tire or give up his act, whereas the good guy stays the same.”

“I can only speak for the "players" I've encountered. They were all talk and no action.”

“The mask slips eventually. Human beings can't help being themselves usually.”

“A player will be a good guy to begin with, then his house of cards will start to slide when maintaining the charade is too much.”

“Players rarely settle down. They either pretend to, or fool themselves into believing they can. Most often, they will fail unless they make a serious choice to change themselves by changing the strong "NEED" for external validation of who they are. In essence, they learn how to self-validate. Good MEN are honest, or at least try to be.”

“No girl can offer enough to a real player. Playing women is a game, which provides a player with a fix, to alleviate his neediness.”

"A player lies and manipulates, to attain his end goal, which is usually getting into the girl's pants. The Good Man attracts women without hurting them."

"The player plays with women like they are toys. He plays with his toy. Then he throws it away and gets another one. This is different from the "genuinely good guy".


I thought it was rather interesting....
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Here is some more food for thought: This is the thinking that the pros get after spending enough time in these forums. Its not much differnt then how the book "the game ends" but you guys will get there. I came here for advice but its seems that the advice that i am looking for is from the guys who created this culture and then realized its folly. This is also probably why I hear so much about this forum not being what it used to be. Because the creators are evolving. Do you remember the shape mystery was in the begining of the book. Sure he still sells his ideas for a large price and so does styles because they know they can get you laid and make a ton money off it now. But they don't believe in their own bull**** anymore and know in the long run something will be missing this is all laid out in the end of the book. This why Styles has oneitis now telling the world on the tonight show about how he only has one girl now.


http://dapook.blogspot.com/2008/03/time-to-move-beyond-mgtow.html

Monday, March 24, 2008
Time to move beyond MGTOW

There is something very wrong with MGTOW. Instead of talking about 'men going their own way', we see...

-Anti-Americanism (or other rants against one's mother country)
-Declarations of Chicken Little economic/social/cultural collapse.
-Religious screeds against a particular religion or against all religions.
-Conspiracy theories.
-Evangelizing the 'Deck-Stacked-Against-Us-Have-No-Hope' view of society (which is unproductive)
-Evangelizing that one ought to live like a Mexican...
-...or another country...
-Forums become a 'Yes!' echo chamber. There is no discussion, just rants filled with yes-men.

These 'elements' are well known but ignored because of the 'good things' that do come out. We should just shrug off these things and compromise with them. Well, there is one problem.

When food and poison compromise, which is the victor? It is the poison. Eating it may be sustaining... for the short term... but your body fills up with these poison toxins. You begin to lose your ambition, your passion, and generally become filled with bitterness.

I have wondered how this is occurring. It is not uncommon. Many 'movements' somehow get filled with negative filled people with anger issues and other wackos. But not all movements. So how did MGTOW become a container for this garbage?

The answer is that MGTOW is founded on a negative itself: avoidance of woman. This has caused blanket rants against women. "But many of these rants are accurate, Pook!" So what? A farmer can rant all day about the unfairness of frost, but that will not get him anywhere. There is no cosmic justice out there. The world is what it is and its better to live in it that in a hyper-reality.

Perhaps this will hit more to the point. How many years has MGTOW existed? And what has changed since then? Really, nothing has changed at all.

But I have to wonder why no one in MGTOW can keep to the subject. Pick any random thread and you will find someone start going off the reservation of a speech against a religion or another unasked for soapbox sermon on some oddball subject. Often, many will randomly insert his "brilliant" assertion that civilization will collapse in ten years.

MGTOW is based on the belief that men have made mistakes (which should be spared making mistakes). These mistakes can include marriage, being nice guy, being worshipful to women, and so on. All these mistakes have a common theme: egotism. When the man got married, he was so sure he was doing the right thing and the naysayers were all jealous villains.

Since so many join MGTOW based on being wrong in the past, why does everyone act like they are right all the time? It is amazing! The egotism never died. It just shifted into new forms. This would explain why someone can't keep to the subject of MGTOW and instead must start bashing a religion, bashing a country, or bashing something else. One can be right on something and be wrong on other things. But MGTOW do not see that. They act like they have suddenly become right on everything (so they become vocal on it).

If we were wrong in the past, and it damaged our lives (such as getting married to a fiend), why do we strut around as if we have such 'wisdom'? If we were so wrong once, we could be wrong again. Yet, this reservation is nowhere to be found in MGTOW. Every man has his own pet theories. The dogs slip their leash and begin to ravage the good content.

To be honest, I don't see many happy MGTOW. There are no celebrations about being 'free' but complaining about... something. Trust me; celebrations and good cheer are far more effective and contagious than "being right all the time".

In normal society, people do not like being around someone 'right all the time'. Even if they are right, they are downright annoying. People prefer light-hearted, good cheered fun. When I think of MGTOW, 'good cheer' is the last to come to mind. MGTOW isn't about being alive as it is about escaping pain.

For as much as we mock feminists for being negative, for getting with women to talk bad about men, it is becoming more and more clear that MGTOW is becoming more like the mirror image. Behavior by behavior, a MGTOW male acts very similar to a feminist in lifestyle and habit. You begin to live alone, have meetings with guys to 'talk bad about women' (to ease existential pains), and write bad essays.

I think it is becoming clear that marriage and children is a natural longing in not just women but men as well. Nature did not intend gender avoidance. I believe generally everyone is repelled by the negative pessimistic tone found on MGTOW. However, people return consistently for a dose of the poison to ease the existential pain (caused by the natural longing of wife and children which is found in every culture and time). Once convinced by the rantings that women are more painful than pleasurable, the male goes off semi-satisfied. But, alas, the natural longing creeps up again causing the male to return.


why, it must be requited. I hear how I am censured:
they say I will bear myself proudly, if I perceive
the love come from her; they say too that she will
rather die than give any sign of affection. I did
never think to marry: I must not seem proud: happy
are they that hear their detractions and can put
them to mending. They say the lady is fair; 'tis a
truth, I can bear them witness; and virtuous; 'tis
so, I cannot reprove it; and wise, but for loving
me; by my troth, it is no addition to her wit, nor
no great argument of her folly, for I will be
horribly in love with her. I may chance have some
odd quirks and remnants of wit broken on me,
because I have railed so long against marriage: but
doth not the appetite alter? a man loves the meat
in his youth that he cannot endure in his age.
Shall quips and sentences and these paper bullets of
the brain awe a man from the career of his humour?
No, the world must be peopled. When I said I would
die a bachelor, I did not think I should live till I
were married.

-"Much Ado About Nothing", Shakespeare

MGTOW is equally damned.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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LeComteDeMonteCristo said:
Have some respect for the people you wish to read this post. It's a complete mess.
Is this a b!tch test? Its all stuff i copied and pasted by Pook and the guy KillaPetehog . i provided the links as well.
 

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why not just provide links?

It doesn't matter if you have been saying it unless you are coming under attack. You can add all you want to their posts, but why do you copy and paste it?

Also, you could just bump the posts up.

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