"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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What is your number/date ratio?

ThreeStorms

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I can easily get the number if I want to. But I never have dates (or any other type of get-together, if you dislike the term "date" like I do). A few theories about it. Please give your input.

A) Chicks are used in giving away their number (or a fake one) quick, so guys they don't like (but seem harmless) are leaving them alone for the moment - they can ignore calls when they want to. I am in doubt this happens too often, as I believe I can see when they don't like me (even if they still act polite) and won't ask for the number then.

B) I am doing something seriously wrong in the time between getting the number and leaving (often quite a long time period, as I tend to ask for the number soon; should I ask only when leaving?). So the first and second impressions may be okay, but I always spoil it, through body language, appearing needy or whatever (self check time).

C) A mix of the above; they somehow like me and don't feel endangered by giving away their number, but later thinking about it, time spent with me wasn't good enough for "risking" a whole date. Time for the bible, topic "conversation".

D) I suck on the phone (is it even possible) or only have ****ty date ideas (anyone shouting "action date"?)

So my number to date ratio is X to zero. I certainly hope yours is better, my friends.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Obsidian

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If you're hanging around after getting their number, that's generally a bad idea. It's called a #-close for a reason!

But don't ask girls for their numbers unless you think they're really interested in you. There's no point in going out with a girl who has only moderate interest.
 

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Remember, they do have lives.
What you might want to do, is during the number close, try setting up a date a few days later.

There. Your number/date ratio solved.

If you're still having problems, try hooking her with a cool date (aside from movies..etc), such as your favorite band is performing at a nearby pub, a car show...etc etc.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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I've asked it before and I'll ask it again, why are guy's more interested in getting a woman's phone number over getting her to go out with you?
 

Poonani Maker

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Hey guys, to follow up, I'd like to ask, in addition, What about when a girl gives you Her number and her girlfriend's (standing right there's) number, without, you asking for their numbers, just because they want to I guess? Now, another mental hurdle for me is my place. I live in the slums, I don't take care of my place because I'll never take a woman back her anyway, because I'm ashamed of it. Same with the car. I'm just bidding my time until I hit it big so to speak with the job that I'm pursuing, saving money, and hunkering down, so the only way I'm gonna bang a chick is by going for a ride back to Her place, in Her car, or in some place outside of where I live. This is the key for me, without money, I'm ****ed. I'm living on the edge, because I never know what the future will hold.

Many girls, and many people, think that I am rich out in public, but I live very poorly. So once they find me out, that I don't have all this money, I'm sunk with the girls. In person I'm quite astonishing, dashing, strong, fit, very good-looking, on-the-ball, but I've got nothing to show for such confidence when I get home or when they see my home. Why can't people just love you or respect you or go out with you JUST based on YOU (which I attract quite a lot in person out in public) and not what you have or material possessions. This is my Gigantic, mental, debilitating hurdle when it comes to thinking about using a gal for sex. I've put my life on hold, and I'm tired of it. How many of you can bang in spite of being poor financially, not in other areas, I'm rich in looks and thoughts, my mind is very rich and happy and content, but the b1tches want, want, want to spend the money eventually All do, so none of them is gonna live on less like I do.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Ace of Flames

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If you do lots of day approaches, then forget the number close altogether. Go for insta-dates instead. If you have the time, that is. At the least you can spare 30 minutes for some coffee, right? Get her number at the end of your little outing.
 

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have a pre set plan before you go out, like "going bowling with some friends". then when you find a girl with high interest you say "im going bowling with some friends thursday, you should come with us". once she says yes THEN get the #. it doesnt even have to be real, you could always change it from bowling to something else later on.
 

ThreeStorms

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Thanks for your answers. I'll definitly try to close with fixing a time and place for next meeting. This way it's clear whether there is any interest.
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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ThreeStorms said:
... This way it's clear whether there is any interest.
Ahhh, a lightbulb has been turned on! :up:
 
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