"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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What is your definition of average looking?

stuka1939

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There seems to be alot of subjectivity about what "average looking" is.

My definition and the most logical definition:

Not attractive, but not ugly. Basically, 45% of the female population.

Perfect example is the girl from American Pie (the band camp girl)

I think some people incorrectly refer to girls who aren't hot as average looking. One step below hot is cute, which is above average.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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To me about 5% or less are really hot, 5% or so are sick ugly and the rest fall into a typical bell curve. The curve is skewed here though because of excessive weight. There are a lot of 2-3 that could be 6-7 if they'd just hit the damn treadmill.
 

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agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.
 

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Obsidian said:
agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.

Glad you agree. Very few people are ugly and very few people are extremely good-looking in the US. It goes something like this.

5%-ugly
45%- Average
45% Attractive/cute
5%- Very attractive

If people were not so fat in this country, it would look something like this:

5%-Ugly
30%-Average
55%-Attractive/cute
10%-Very attractive
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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I believe the so called "average" ones can be uplifted with proper make up, dressing, etc. they just choose not to or don't realize they need to, such as the American Pie band camp girl, she wasn't all so hot in the beginning but when the American Pie Wedding movie came out she was pretty banging when she had more make up on and so on. You could say a make over would do the job
 

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Obsidian said:
agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.
It's funny though that a lot of those girls will have other less troubling but still a little off-putting issues. For instance in a lot of the world straight or even mostly straight teeth are not nearly as common as here. It can be cute but in many cases it's just really distracting.

In India there was a shocking laxity in personal hygiene that was distressing.

I've yet to spend much time in Eastern Europe but my impression was that it's much better. Japan was also very nice. :)
 
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