"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What is your definition of average looking?

stuka1939

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There seems to be alot of subjectivity about what "average looking" is.

My definition and the most logical definition:

Not attractive, but not ugly. Basically, 45% of the female population.

Perfect example is the girl from American Pie (the band camp girl)

I think some people incorrectly refer to girls who aren't hot as average looking. One step below hot is cute, which is above average.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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To me about 5% or less are really hot, 5% or so are sick ugly and the rest fall into a typical bell curve. The curve is skewed here though because of excessive weight. There are a lot of 2-3 that could be 6-7 if they'd just hit the damn treadmill.
 

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agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.
 

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Obsidian said:
agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.

Glad you agree. Very few people are ugly and very few people are extremely good-looking in the US. It goes something like this.

5%-ugly
45%- Average
45% Attractive/cute
5%- Very attractive

If people were not so fat in this country, it would look something like this:

5%-Ugly
30%-Average
55%-Attractive/cute
10%-Very attractive
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I believe the so called "average" ones can be uplifted with proper make up, dressing, etc. they just choose not to or don't realize they need to, such as the American Pie band camp girl, she wasn't all so hot in the beginning but when the American Pie Wedding movie came out she was pretty banging when she had more make up on and so on. You could say a make over would do the job
 

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Obsidian said:
agreed with johnson. I think in America, the average is not very attractive. If you went to China or Eastern Europe, the average girl would probably be cute (7ish) because they aren't so fat over there.
It's funny though that a lot of those girls will have other less troubling but still a little off-putting issues. For instance in a lot of the world straight or even mostly straight teeth are not nearly as common as here. It can be cute but in many cases it's just really distracting.

In India there was a shocking laxity in personal hygiene that was distressing.

I've yet to spend much time in Eastern Europe but my impression was that it's much better. Japan was also very nice. :)
 
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