"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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What is your Body Fat Percentage?

What is your Body Fat Percentage?

  • 4% or Less (asking sally struthers for donations)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5% - 9% (bodybuilder / unnaturally thin)

    Votes: 4 14.3%
  • 10% - 14% (athletic to ideal)

    Votes: 12 42.9%
  • 15%-19% (ideal to average)

    Votes: 6 21.4%
  • 20%-24% (average to chubby)

    Votes: 5 17.9%
  • 25%-29% (chubby to fat)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 30%-34% (fat to obese)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 35% or Greater (morbidly obese)

    Votes: 1 3.6%

  • Total voters
    28

bigneil

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Men, what is your body fat percentage?

Note: you should have used a scale or other official method to measure, do not just estimate as most of us underestimate by 5% (especially if you are over 35).

According to my Tanita scale, the ideal bodyfat percentage for men is in the 9% to 21% range (around 15%-16%), depending on age (younger being on the thinner end). Body fat percentage relates to Metabolic age (how efficient your metabolism is). 15% body fat for a 42 year old man corresponds to a metabolic age of 20, while 21% corresponds to a metabolic age of 40. Young women (the best measurement device of all) will note the difference, with her interest level being inversely proportional.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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marmel75

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I'm between 11-13% depending on what type of program I am on. Going into a winter bulking phase, so might go up a percent or so before going back down to hopefully single digits by this spring...have upper 2 sets of abs visible, working on lower 2 sets....

I'm 37, 5' 8" and 189 lbs...

Measured with Fat Track Gold II calipers.

Those scales are grossly inaccurate for people with a lot of muscle...
 

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People should actually get their fat properly tested. Assuming or using a worthless scale fat detector will either make you think you're ideal or will make you think you are fatter then what you are particularly if you hAve self image issues.
 

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25-29% for those that say looks dont matter it does, since I got fat the quality of girls has dropped off, hence I'm in the gym

:woo:
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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In2theGame

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Right now my BF% levels are in that 10% to 14% range. I have good lean mass on me and at a good level if i want to shred up with six pack and obliques showing, which i plan to do in few months. Very low BF% levels are hard to maintain (7% and lower) for me at least. unless im going to compete in a show, i think 9% - 13% is a good range, again IMO. I can tell if im gaining fat in my face, I have a defined jaw line and when my BF levels are low it shows well.
 

TillTheEndOfTime

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marmel75 said:
I'm between 11-13% depending on what type of program I am on. Going into a winter bulking phase, so might go up a percent or so before going back down to hopefully single digits by this spring...have upper 2 sets of abs visible, working on lower 2 sets....

I'm 37, 5' 8" and 189 lbs...

Measured with Fat Track Gold II calipers.

Those scales are grossly inaccurate for people with a lot of muscle...
189 lbs is huge for 5'8. Are you a linebacker or something?
 

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In2theGame said:
Right now my BF% levels are in that 10% to 14% range. I have good lean mass on me and at a good level if i want to shred up with six pack and obliques showing, which i plan to do in few months. Very low BF% levels are hard to maintain (7% and lower) for me at least. unless im going to compete in a show, i think 9% - 13% is a good range, again IMO. I can tell if im gaining fat in my face, I have a defined jaw line and when my BF levels are low it shows well.
BTW i am currently 182 pounds at 6' tall but i like to be in the 175 area.
 

Who Dares Win

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I suppose about 12-15%, I have a defined jaw line and can see my upper 2 abs while cannot pinch any skin on legs, the only visibile fat I see is right down the belly button but from a profile perspective looks flat.

I found out that moving all carbs in the first half of the day and no carbs at all after 6pm, made me leaner even without restricting the calories, probably because of different hormones setting.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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-Gripz-

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I'm 182 at 5'9". Got a little fat on me right now as I'm bulking to build some muscle. Going for a cut next year.
 
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good poll
the 5-9% BF is interesting... not necessarily where some 'unnaturally thing' guys fall though.. they are usually 'thin fat' or 'skinny fat'.. meaning they are super thin... but not a lot of lean mass (muscle) so they are actually close to 15-20% BF but still really thin sometimes*

*not all the time
 

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Given that the resulting numbers look like an NFL team, I'm thinking people are exagerating how lean they are. Either that or the average SS member is in 5 times better shape than the average American male.

Or could it be that with 246 views and only 33 votes, the fattest 213 members didn't vote?
 

powpow

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6 foot even and 210 lbs.

I dont feel like I look buff but **** man.

this stupid machine said I have some fat on me. what people may call fat ass, I call thoroughbred racehorse haunches.

I think less than body fat percentage, girls are attracted to overall volume and space a man takes up, up to a certain point, that point being looking unhealthy fat.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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There are sprinters with a BF percentage lower than 10%. They're still healthy. Mine is somewhere around 10, but I'd probably look better with a bit more fat.
 

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When I played football I was at my lowest, 6.5% bf. We used this thing that we just called the pod. You go in and sit down and after a bit you get a reading on your %. I wouldn't say any of us were unnaturally thin or anything like that. I've lost a lot of weight since playing, most of it muscle. I technically "look" thinner than when I played in both my face and body, but probably am more in the 10% range now.
 

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SoSuave666 said:
When I played football I was at my lowest, 6.5% bf. We used this thing that we just called the pod. You go in and sit down and after a bit you get a reading on your %. I wouldn't say any of us were unnaturally thin or anything like that. I've lost a lot of weight since playing, most of it muscle. I technically "look" thinner than when I played in both my face and body, but probably am more in the 10% range now.
Are you ripped? At 10% you should have a six pack. At 6.5 you should have had almost no room to pinch on any part of your body.

Pro athletes depending on which sport come under 10%. BF is not their goal it's sports and performance based but people like Manny Pacman and Floyd Mayweather are at 6% and they are shredded to the core.

Think again if you don't have bulging abs and claim to be 6%
 

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For_F said:
Are you ripped? At 10% you should have a six pack. At 6.5 you should have had almost no room to pinch on any part of your body.

Pro athletes depending on which sport come under 10%. BF is not their goal it's sports and performance based but people like Manny Pacman and Floyd Mayweather are at 6% and they are shredded to the core.

Think again if you don't have bulging abs and claim to be 6%
Unfortunately for you, you discount the amount of work spent on gaining muscle/losing fat that even collegiate athletes use to achieve peak performance. For 4.5 years (redshirted first year) I was gaining muscle and working with a nutritionist to achieve my goals. Like I said, at my PEAK, I was 6.5%. Is my job on this forum to produce photographic evidence of my "ripped abs" or brag to you all about how good I look naked? No, it's to provide you with the truth. Believe it or not, it's where I was.

We used the most advanced technology to determine body fat as well. Our pods were state-of-the-art at the time. Not sure what's used now, but at the time, those were the t!ts. My team had several (10-15) individuals below 7% bf. Admittedly they were all skilll positions, but it's the truth. Many of my team mates now play in the NFL and are just as ripped as they were in college, if not moreso.

Brag brag brag, namedrop namedrop namedrop. It doesn't matter what I say because this is an internet forum. You can either choose to believe what I say or not. If not though, maybe shut your mouth. I don't really care for your amateur opinion about anything.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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