What is the point of Marriage in 2020?

[RickTheToad]

I don't have a porn collection or care about porn, even online, which means you have some serious stereotypes about me which are not true.

You misread the point.

Do you feel the "system" "knows" that marriage is a structure designed to control men and for wealth distribution?

I think the system looks out for what the public at large want. Considering more females vote then males, that says something.

 

[RickTheToad]

Man is responsible for his own secsual health. Period Richard. Your dancing around the key component....
Strong Men doesn't care about others reactions if it is not good for his life he Takes action for his own happiness.
Dead libido in women??
its a next. If its the guys fault which it usually is....(look up how long average joe lasts in the sack)
Then you got work to do. This isn't difficult and yes this one is cut and dried.

Not as easy as sex, but you have a point if that's the issue. The average time is around 5 mins for a dude. It can take up to 20 minutes for the female to get aroused enough to get to climax. So, this is where foreplay comes in handy. As you may know, it's a science.

 

[corrector]

You misread the point.

What is your point then from quoting an offensive article like that?

 

[SW15]

It's a pretty ****ed up thing to say but, tbh 100% truth, the experience of pickup and game sourcing girls does not make men like women more. Feminism screaming misogyny isn't a argument. If you approach 100 girls, how many pull? Flake? Ghost? Have chemistry with? You actually want to see after you bust a nut? From first hand experience, I assure you that It is very low and most of the time, you don't have any care beyond getting laid.

You're mostly correct. If you're a guy out there looking to start up either short term or long term relationships with women, doing multiple approaches in person or swiping/texting on a swipe app isn't going to give you a positive impression of women. You will deal with a lot of ghosting, flaking, rudeness, and generally bad behavior.

This isn't misogyny. It's reality.

 

[Dash Riprock]

If a bedroom goes dead its usually the guys fault. I bet if you investigate enough you would find this true. Guys get into these weird comfort autopilot programs.

Agree 100%.

My last LTR was with a Croatian fitness model. Was with her 9 yrs. After about year 3 the sex slowed down and by year 7 I was sick of banging the same woman. By year 9 we were done. No hard feeelings, I just lost attraction plus she had a very big superiority complex and was extremely passive aggressive which made the decision easier.

Even if you have a hot fudge subdae every day, eventually you'll get sick of them.

Marriage is simply not in my DNA.

 

[SW15]

My last LTR was with a Croatian fitness model. Was with her 9 yrs. After about year 3 the sex slowed down and by year 7 I was sick of banging the same woman. By year 9 we were done. No hard feeelings, I just lost attraction plus she had a very big superiority complex and was extremely passive aggressive which made the decision easier.

Even if you have a hot fudge subdae every day, eventually you'll get sick of them.

A Croatian fitness model seems like a jackpot. You got 3-5 good years out of her, which is impressive.

Eastern European women are great, but much better if you're getting them in Eastern Europe.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

You're mostly correct. If you're a guy out there looking to start up either short term or long term relationships with women, doing multiple approaches in person or swiping/texting on a swipe app isn't going to give you a positive impression of women. You will deal with a lot of ghosting, flaking, rudeness, and generally bad behavior.

This isn't misogyny. It's reality.

It's why IMHO most guys want to land a girl and go Disney on ice then rage when divorce rapey or cucked. If the game has taught me anything, I don't like the majority and if not for busting nuts, I would not bother. SrS

Only short term, high octane, balls to the wall smashing and breaking her headboard. Or #next

 

[SW15]

It's why IMHO most guys want to land a girl and go Disney on ice then rage when divorce rapey or cucked. If the game has taught me anything, I don't like the majority and if not for busting nuts, I would not bother. SrS

Only short term, high octane, balls to the wall smashing and breaking her headboard. Or #next

Doing cold approaches and swipe apps teaches you the true nature of women.

If you're meeting women primarily through social circle or you had an LTR with a high school or college sweetheart, you've had a sheltered experience with women.

 

[Reyaj]

Posting a thread knocking marriage on this forum is like preaching to the choir. I don't necessarily disagree with a lot of knocks on it, but for those that dare look at the institution objectively keep in mind 2 things:

1. Most people on this forum are jaded when it comes to women and dating. For all the criticism of female behavior this might be considered hypocritical.
2. I'll preface this with being dependent on age but most quality women with decent upbringings do want to get married. They see it as a phase of life and of course want the security benefit.

I doubt anyone can relate or will dare to.... but if you had a daughter would you not encourage her to get married and have a family?

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Doing cold approaches and swipe apps teaches you the true nature of women.

If you're meeting women primarily through social circle or you had an LTR with a high school or college sweetheart, you've had a sheltered experience with women.

100%. I think most men rely on the warm approach of social circle or OLD is common practice. I have to say, the SMP has transitioned to a dumpster fire quite gradually. The amount of single moms and tattoo covered or fat is unheard of. The lazy path does not end well. The most common example is easily found looking outside.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It only teaches what is a digital world today. Dig deep enough and old world fundamentals are still king...
Walking away

I don't disagree bUt let's be honest. The digital world is a microcosm of the culture and society. I think the woman you married and the environment she grew up in is polar opposite to the western world feminist dumpster fire SMP. I will goes as far as to say, that caliber is far higher especially for any man seeking to settle down. Big up's.

The bhagavad Gita warns about the corruption of nations follows the corruption of women. The Christian genesis Bible story is told about the fall of man and banishment of Eden came because of the corruption of women. Man and concessions in following women. The same thing happened in the end days of Solomon or so the story goes where following a woman leads to God's disregard. More accurately, God doesn't even discipline. It is described that the spirit of God leaves Solomon and he becomes weak.

Even if you take it all as allegory, there's a lot of wisdom and warnings. The amount of time suck on game is a WASTE but it is what kept me from baby mama drama and divorce rape. It taught me game, a lot of female nature, and why COMPLY OR BYE is gold. As I get older I am understanding the commandment about adultery. Why simp is disgusting. I was telling my mate about a Bender and getting girls. My mate was saying how he rather lift, meditate, pray or be on his purpose then bust a nut. More recently, he was telling me about his gf begging for it and he tells her no (sometimes). Prefers to go lift or bonfire with the boys.

Fundamentals are king. Nicely said.

 

[SW15]

100%. I think most men rely on the warm approach of social circle or OLD is common practice. I have to say, the SMP has transitioned to a dumpster fire quite gradually. The amount of single moms and tattoo covered or fat is unheard of. The lazy path does not end well. The most common example is easily found looking outside.

It's astounding how swipe apps and websites have taken over. I'm 37. I remember 20 years when I was in high school, online dating was regarding as the realm of losers. I remember hearing a radio segment while driving to school in either my junior or senior year of high school about the stigma of online dating. 15 years ago, by 2005, the stigma was mostly gone but there was still a vibrant offline game. In 2010, website game had picked up more than 2005. Women were getting their inboxes flooded by 2010 on Match, OkCupid, PlentyofFish, etc. Tinder launched in 2012. By 2014, swipe apps were more accepted than website dating ever was.

Yes, I agree that most guys default to social circle and swipe apps. If guys were doing in-person approaching, it was in bars. I saw less bar approaching in 2015-2019 as compared to 2005-2009.

Non-bar venue approaching ("day game") is a niche activity and will always be because the barriers to entry are high. Most guys don't have what it takes to approach women in a location other than a bar while sober.

A lot of guys dumpster dived for poontang at Meetup.com groups during the 2010s. That's a variant of social circle game. Meetup was never considered cool, and "cute" and "hot" women will usually only do things considered cool, so the talent pool at Meetups was usuaully substandard. Occasionally, a "cute" woman would go to an event and get swarmed by thirsty men with limited game. Someone with a slight bit of game could do ok at those but there were better uses of time.

A lot of social circle comes down to being geographically fixed for long periods of your life, especially in your 0-18 years. The most successful people I've seen in social circle game are people who stayed in one area during their childhood (to which they owe their parents a great gratitude) and stayed in that same area as an adult. I've rarely seen anyone who moved to a new city after age 25-27 be successful in social circle game, even if they stay in the same city for 5+ years or 10+ years. It's easier to build a social circle before your hormones kick in. If you're 27 and moving to a new city unattached, your hormones are raging and you're not going to have the patience or even the access to good social circles in most cases to be effective with it.

I don't disagree bUt let's be honest. The digital world is a microcosm of the culture and society. I think the woman you married and the environment she grew up in is polar opposite to the western world feminist dumpster fire SMP.

The amount of time suck on game is a WASTE but it is what kept me from baby mama drama and divorce rape. It taught me game, a lot of female nature, and why COMPLY OR BYE is gold. As I get older I am understanding the commandment about adultery. Why simp is disgusting. I was telling my mate about a Bender and getting girls. My mate was saying how he rather lift, meditate, pray or be on his purpose then bust a nut. More recently, he was telling me about his gf begging for it and he tells her no (sometimes). Prefers to go lift or bonfire with the boys.

Fundamentals are king. Nicely said.

The digital world is the true nature of women. Women face no consequences for bad behavior in the digital world. Her social circle is not informed when she acts rude, entitled, biatchy, or ghosts/flakes on some guy from a swipe app or a guy that slid into her DMs. Hypergamy runs wild on the apps and social media because a woman is garnering so much more attention there than she would in the real world.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Man thats atomic true. I bet it happened to Rome too.

Shes Asian but she is still a girl

The part of the world is feminine. Some even more than others. It's night and day different from any western country. You did it right my friend. Curious is curious how you avoid westernized?

I am not Stefan molyneux. I am not sure exactly. From what I understand and from Stef's research, it looks like concessions to women followed by the deterioration of the people and culture. I suspect Trump touched on this in 2016 or elements of this.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It's astounding how swipe apps and websites have taken over. I'm 37. I remember 20 years when I was in high school, online dating was regarding as the realm of losers. I remember hearing a radio segment while driving to school in either my junior or senior year of high school about the stigma of online dating. 15 years ago, by 2005, the stigma was mostly gone but there was still a vibrant offline game. In 2010, website game had picked up more than 2005. Women were getting their inboxes flooded by 2010 on Match, OkCupid, PlentyofFish, etc. Tinder launched in 2012. By 2014, swipe apps were more accepted than website dating ever was.

A fella I knew played in a band and used Myspace. People called him a lower. He was but not because of Myspace.

Yes, I agree that most guys default to social circle and swipe apps. If guys were doing in-person approaching, it was in bars. I saw less bar approaching in 2015-2019 as compared to 2005-2009.

I agree. It coincides with when rsd checked out. The media scandal and I suspect that the numbers were low. I remember soyboys avoiding approaching and making excuses not to go out. I think women were not going out as much especially when tinder was blowing up and girls were getting banged out discreetly.

Non-bar venue approaching ("day game") is a niche activity and will always be because the barriers to entry are high. Most guys don't have what it takes to approach women in a location other than a bar while sober.

It's made room for the Tusk gang and other newer fellas in the scene to come up. A lot of the old pua guys look rough now. The London model day game is gold. It takes some serious balls. Breaking the ice is a matter of reference points and creating new pathways in the brain. Become more effective speaker. Gift of gab. Million dollar mouth piece.

A lot of guys dumpster dived for poontang at Meetup.com groups during the 2010s. That's a variant of social circle game. Meetup was never considered cool, and "cute" and "hot" women will usually only do things considered cool, so the talent pool at Meetups was usuaully substandard. Occasionally, a "cute" woman would go to an event and get swarmed by thirsty men with limited game. Someone with a slight bit of game could do ok at those but there were better uses of time.

In the words of Tusk, "a man could do some damage. " I suggest game competence. Not obsession. Better use of time spent elsewhere.

A lot of social circle comes down to being geographically fixed for long periods of your life, especially in your 0-18 years. The most successful people I've seen in social circle game are people who stayed in one area during their childhood (to which they owe their parents a great gratitude) and stayed in that same area as an adult. I've rarely seen anyone who moved to a new city after age 25-27 be successful in social circle game, even if they stay in the same city for 5+ years or 10+ years. It's easier to build a social circle before your hormones kick in. If you're 27 and moving to a new city unattached, your hormones are raging and you're not going to have the patience or even the access to good social circles in most cases to be effective with it.

Our parents generation introduced people. Our generation is not good at this.

The digital world is the true nature of women. Women face no consequences for bad behavior in the digital world. Her social circle is not informed when she acts rude, entitled, biatchy, or ghosts/flakes on some guy from a swipe app or a guy that slid into her DMs. Hypergamy runs wild on the apps and social media because a woman is garnering so much more attention there than she would in the real world.

The remedy is to enjoy the decline. Be the highest value man you can to attract women but vet smart. In. Y experience, it don't matter if you source from your local mosque or church. Women are women. They have adopted their feminism over men and children. The fallout is single mother victimhood and left over women. The miniscule of women who are not that are snatched up quickly, married or mental. When you go down the numbers, it's something like forty percent of women between 18-35 is a single mom which removes then as viable option. I date far younger so the number is likely higher.

I think fellas should come to peace with being a lifetime bachelor. Date. Enjoy. Test the waters. Let it Ride.

 

[corrector]

It's astounding how swipe apps and websites have taken over. I'm 37. I remember 20 years when I was in high school, online dating was regarding as the realm of losers. I remember hearing a radio segment while driving to school in either my junior or senior year of high school about the stigma of online dating. 15 years ago, by 2005, the stigma was mostly gone but there was still a vibrant offline game. In 2010, website game had picked up more than 2005. Women were getting their inboxes flooded by 2010 on Match, OkCupid, PlentyofFish, etc. Tinder launched in 2012. By 2014, swipe apps were more accepted than website dating ever was.

In my initial experience with online dating in 2006, women were getting their inbox flooded in 2006 - not 2010 like you are suggesting. Most popular dating sites were used rather than social media sites.

A lot of guys dumpster dived for poontang at Meetup.com groups during the 2010s. That's a variant of social circle game. Meetup was never considered cool, and "cute" and "hot" women will usually only do things considered cool, so the talent pool at Meetups was usuaully substandard. Occasionally, a "cute" woman would go to an event and get swarmed by thirsty men with limited game. Someone with a slight bit of game could do ok at those but there were better uses of time.

I used Meetup.com between 2009 and 2013 and, yes, it seems like a sad way to meet women. You can just see based on the members of the group and who is joining that its going to be a sausage fest or worst, you end up meeting up with other guys when you think its going to be a mixed group. This is one of the reasons I felt very devastated back in 2013 with the break-up of my ex-gf in 2012, is that it's too painfully difficult meet anyone in the first place.

A lot of social circle comes down to being geographically fixed for long periods of your life, especially in your 0-18 years. The most successful people I've seen in social circle game are people who stayed in one area during their childhood (to which they owe their parents a great gratitude) and stayed in that same area as an adult. I've rarely seen anyone who moved to a new city after age 25-27 be successful in social circle game, even if they stay in the same city for 5+ years or 10+ years. It's easier to build a social circle before your hormones kick in. If you're 27 and moving to a new city unattached, your hormones are raging and you're not going to have the patience or even the access to good social circles in most cases to be effective with it.

That has not worked with me. I've lived in the same place my whole life. I live in Toronto. Maybe this only works in small towns or if you are part of a social clique already.

 

[SW15]

A lot of social circle comes down to being geographically fixed for long periods of your life, especially in your 0-18 years. The most successful people I've seen in social circle game are people who stayed in one area during their childhood (to which they owe their parents a great gratitude) and stayed in that same area as an adult. I've rarely seen anyone who moved to a new city after age 25-27 be successful in social circle game, even if they stay in the same city for 5+ years or 10+ years. It's easier to build a social circle before your hormones kick in. If you're 27 and moving to a new city unattached, your hormones are raging and you're not going to have the patience or even the access to good social circles in most cases to be effective with it.

That has not worked with me. I've lived in the same place my whole life. I live in Toronto. Maybe this only works in small towns or if you are part of a social clique already.

For the people I've know that have been in one place most of their lives and used social circle to find long term relationships and marriages, it occurred more frequently in metro areas with a population of 700,000 or less, though it can happen in metros of 1 million+. Toronto is a tough dating market and frequently called the worst city in North America for men due to rampant SJW/careerist/feminist things going on there.

A lot of people that struggle in the dating market in a place where they've grown up leave that place by 25-30.

The London model day game is gold. It takes some serious balls. Breaking the ice is a matter of reference points and creating new pathways in the brain. Become more effective speaker. Gift of gab. Million dollar mouth piece.

I agree on the value of the London Day Game model. I've used parts of it though I got my start in day game from Roosh's "Day Bang" in 2013.

Our parents generation introduced people. Our generation is not good at this.

We're both Millennials. Our parents generation (Boomers) and the intermediary generation (Gen X) were both better at this than Millennials. I've seen some Millennials do social circle. I was never able to do social circle game due to frequent childhood and early adulthood moves. At this point, I've been in the same city a long time now but never have been part of a social circle where introductions ever happened.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

For the people I've know that have been in one place most of their lives and used social circle to find long term relationships and marriages, it occurred more frequently in metro areas with a population of 700,000 or less, though it can happen in metros of 1 million+. Toronto is a tough dating market and frequently called the worst city in North America for men due to rampant SJW/careerist/feminist things going on there.

Was not aware. I did see a article after the Julien fiasco and feminist Rage on jezzebel. Another one on a shopping center. It was big on rsd nation.

A lot of people that struggle in the dating market in a place where they've grown up leave that place by 25-30.

I notice that the older generation left big cities. The kids are coming back to the city but hopefully, it changed due to covid. Pandemic proves that the commute is unnecessary.

agree on the value of the London Day Game model. I've used parts of it though I got my start in day game from Roosh's "Day Bang" in 2013.

He never resonated for me. I read him. I appreciate the content. Tbh I prefer him and his contribution over red pill. Call me based. I prefer the London model and night club game is dead. I prefer the rsd fellas particularly prior to the media scandal over tom Torrero but the model of day game I am enamoured by. It just lands. The rsd guys are old and looking rough. Apparently Alex is living in a bus like Better bachelor.

Obsession to game to that extent is retarded. There's no way to corporate or a come back thereafter.

We're both Millennials. Our parents generation (Boomers) and the intermediary generation (Gen X) were both better at this than Millennials. I've seen some Millennials do social circle. I was never able to do social circle game due to frequent childhood and early adulthood moves. At this point, I've been in the same city a long time now but never have been part of a social circle where introductions ever happened.

I have but not common. I do for my mates. At 37, I highly advise you to utilize game to pivot be it career wise or side hustle. I also recommend that you do the same to make friends, new wings, and what not. Aaron Clarey made a video about nearly forty and friends are gone or wife won't let them out to play. I am fairly excited to be a bachelor hearing that. this. I hope you bring in Nye with a bang. Noticing that Gen Z guy is returning to church. Girl is on the carousel.

 

[SW15]

Was not aware. I did see a article after the Julien fiasco and feminist Rage on jezzebel. Another one on a shopping center. It was big on rsd nation.

Toronto is a really bad place to try to mate. The mating environment is extremely toxic. I'm glad I don't live there. There are plenty of articles out there about the toxicity of Toronto. In the United States, the metro areas with the absolute worst mating environments are Washington DC, San Francisco, Portland (Oregon), and Seattle.

He never resonated for me. I read him. I appreciate the content. Tbh I prefer him and his contribution over red pill. Call me based. I prefer the London model and night club game is dead. I prefer the rsd fellas particularly prior to the media scandal over tom Torrero but the model of day game I am enamoured by. It just lands. The rsd guys are old and looking rough. Apparently Alex is living in a bus like Better bachelor.

I never got into RSD. I thought Better Bachelor is MGTOW. Living in a bus isn't going to help a guy pick up women so MGTOW by default?

2013 was the year I turned 30 and realized that I needed a more sustainable version of game to meet women. That's when I shifted from a primarily night game pickup model to a primarily day game model. We are similar in thought.

At 37, I highly advise you to utilize game to pivot be it career wise or side hustle. I also recommend that you do the same to make friends, new wings, and what not. Aaron Clarey made a video about nearly forty and friends are gone or wife won't let them out to play. I am fairly excited to be a bachelor hearing that. this. I hope you bring in Nye with a bang. Noticing that Gen Z guy is returning to church. Girl is on the carousel.

All of my friends are married and in 5+ year long relationships. I've seen my friends less due to the pandemic. 30+ men who have shorter relationships and are not married don't tend to fit in well. While I'm socially adept, I'm in a different place in life compared to many of my friends.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Bc women want it and it is necessary to lock some of them down with it. Whether you can find a unicorn worthy of such a thing is a different question. Im not sure I've dated anyone that was.

A more nerdy and less trendy more generous girl is a better choice for that.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Toronto is a really bad place to try to mate. The mating environment is extremely toxic. I'm glad I don't live there. There are plenty of articles out there about the toxicity of Toronto. In the United States, the metro areas with the absolute worst mating environments are Washington DC, San Francisco, Portland (Oregon), and Seattle.

jlaix lives in San Fran. I saw old threads on rsd. It seems anywhere that is liberal is garbage for pickup or high risk of false accusations. I recall a radio host getting false accusations. I remember rsd Tyler trashing women from Seattle. I once had a layover. It reminded me of the scene in nip tuck where Christian Troy does cosmetic surgery on a woman and gives her a paper bag after to smash her in. Lulz

I never got into RSD. I thought Better Bachelor is MGTOW. Living in a bus isn't going to help a guy pick up women so MGTOW by default?

Hard to believe. They are or were market leader for pickup. Pretty much couldn't find pickup anywhere and not see rsd pop up. I still think mystery is the GOAT showman.

YA. Better bachelor is mgtow. Lives on a bus. Rsd Alex left rsd or got fired. He lives in a bus or trailer now.

Pickup is not a ideal career path. Curious to know what Tusks exit strategy. Unless **** you money, rooshv and others are screwed. There's no coming back to corporate.

2013 was the year I turned 30 and realized that I needed a more sustainable version of game to meet women. That's when I shifted from a primarily night game pickup model to a primarily day game model. We are similar in thought.

At least one of us has common sense. In 2013, I was rampaging the club scene. Day game in Trafalgar square. The lockdown killed night life. I don't know how it comes back. The London model is gold right now. I think day games complexity is next level. I love it.

All of my friends are married and in 5+ year long relationships. I've seen my friends less due to the pandemic. 30+ men who have shorter relationships and are not married don't tend to fit in well. While I'm socially adept, I'm in a different place in life compared to many of my friends.

Learn to blend in. I don't show up to a old high school or college buddy's place with a girl age 18 or 21. I blend in. I don't red pill married guys or anything of the kind. It's not warranted. It does come out in the club but I am typically discrete. Actions are red pill. I spit game and I have a flirt but I am otherwise discrete. ToddV is boring but good game is. It is not a highlight reel Infield.

I do think that it will get harder with time. I watched my older pals settle down. Most of my group too. Then, my younger pals are going to out having kids or married. I am happy for buds assuming that is what they want. I am skeptical. I think some picked it whereas, others are blue pill. I know that a lot of people are jumpy to the beaten path just cause. A miniscule amount are legit. Met young and built a life. Religious too.

I was listening to Peterson. He was talking about the amount of people you meet and date. The amount that you have chemistry with and actually get on. The number of people increases with time naturally but the amount of chemistry seemingly declines with time. The complexity increases over time. People have kids. They are jaded. They bring drama and other crap with age. Women are more entitled now than ever before and are waiting till 30 before seeking longevity of a marriage. Ironic given fertility.