What is the Ideal Sleep Schedule for a Seducer Seeking New Women?

[SW15]

I saw an Instagram story from Michael Sartain yesterday. He was talking about men who go to sleep at 8:30 PM - 9 PM nightly and how that bedtime would prevent a man from getting pussie with new women.

Sartain mentioned that the men who promote the early bedtime lifestyle online are men in established relationships who don't need to hunt for new pussie.

If a man needs to meet new women, then Sartain is correct. Going to bed earlier in the night is going to prevent that happening. First dates at bars are best if they go beyond 9 PM or even 10 PM.

If a man is in a phase of life where he needs to meet new women, his ideal bedtime is likely after 11 PM. It could even be as late as 12 AM - 2 AM. This would even enable him to do nightgame on weeknights.

Most men who need to meet new women are unable to keep this sort of sleep schedule. Most work white collar or blue collar jobs where they need to get up earlier in the morning. They need a certain amount of sleep to function work.

In 2013, I found myself unemployed. Immediately after unemployment began, I adjusted my sleep schedule and was going to bed after midnight every night. I found this to be the best schedule for the seduction lifestyle. I was going to bed most nights between 12 AM - 2 AM and waking up no earlier than 9:30 AM. When I had job interviews, I scheduled all of them for afternoons. This was an enjoyable part of my life but it did not last long. I had a job in 4 months.

I enjoyed going out on Tuesday and Wednesday nights until after midnight. As a working person, I've never been able to do that.

What do you think is the best sleep schedule for meeting new women? Is it one that involves going to bed after midnight and waking up around 9-10 AM?

 

[BaronOfHair]

I saw an Instagram story from Michael Sartain yesterday. He was talking about men who go to sleep at 8:30 PM - 9 PM nightly and how that bedtime would prevent a man from getting pussie with new women.

More importanly, a fella's unlikely to make to Brooklyn

, with a regimen like that

 

[nicksaiz65]

I find this to be a really interesting topic. It's something I've been looking into, so that I can get more time out.

I saw an Instagram story from Michael Sartain yesterday. He was talking about men who go to sleep at 8:30 PM - 9 PM nightly and how that bedtime would prevent a man from getting pussie with new women.

Sartain mentioned that the men who promote the early bedtime lifestyle online are men in established relationships who don't need to hunt for new pussie.

I've seen these influencers online. You're correct that basically every single one of them is in an extended relationship. Some of them even argue that being in a relationship is better than being single because they can focus more on their business instead of going out and chasing h0ez.

If a man needs to meet new women, then Sartain is correct. Going to bed earlier in the night is going to prevent that happening. First dates at bars are best if they go beyond 9 PM or even 10 PM.

Agreed.

Most men who need to meet new women are unable to keep this sort of sleep schedule. Most work white collar or blue collar jobs where they need to get up earlier in the morning. They need a certain amount of sleep to function work.

In 2013, I found myself unemployed. Immediately after unemployment began, I adjusted my sleep schedule and was going to bed after midnight every night. I found this to be the best schedule for the seduction lifestyle. I was going to bed most nights between 12 AM - 2 AM and waking up no earlier than 9:30 AM. When I had job interviews, I scheduled all of them for afternoons. This was an enjoyable part of my life but it did not last long. I had a job in 4 months.

I enjoyed going out on Tuesday and Wednesday nights until after midnight. As a working person, I've never been able to do that.

This is the main issue here. If you can stay up until 2-3 AM, then that means you can go to the bars and clubs even during the week. This would give you a huge advantage because it would expose you to more women, resulting in more success.

But, the corporate job. That's an issue when you have to be up early, especially if you commute. I personally start work at 8 AM. Some start work at 9. Getting enough sleep is mandatory so that you can be effective at your corporate job.

The question then becomes, how can we sustain this so that we can get the maximum time out? I had looked into polyphasic sleeping. Some people break their sleep up (sleep from 2 AM - 7 AM), do their job, and then take a 3 hour nap in the evening to hit their full 8 hours of sleep.

I have to do more research on this. I'm not entirely sure if it is sustainable. It seems some have success with it? But I'm not sure.

I have to do more research... but I'd love to hear other opinions and solutions on this so that we can get more late night time at the bar even when employed and during the week.

What do you think is the best sleep schedule for meeting new women? Is it one that involves going to bed after midnight and waking up around 9-10 AM?

Definitely the one where you can go to sleep around 2-3 and wake up at 11ish. In a perfect world, this would be the sleep schedule.

 

[DonJefe19]

If it weren't for the 9am standups, I'd be strolling into work at 10am and taking advantage of burning the midnight oil.

 

[SW15]

If you can stay up until 2-3 AM, then that means you can go to the bars and clubs even during the week. This would give you a huge advantage because it would expose you to more women, resulting in more success.

That likely creates some advantages in a bigger city if you're going to the right venues late night on weeknights.

Over the years, I've rarely been in venues after 11 PM on a weeknight. I don't have much experiences with approaching and pickup at 11:30 PM on a Monday night. Some guys have said positive things about weeknight late nights.

Thursday night is the biggest night of the weeknights and being able to stay out later on a Thursday night is an advantage.

But, the corporate job. That's an issue when you have to be up early, especially if you commute. I personally start work at 8 AM. Some start work at 9. Getting enough sleep is mandatory so that you can be effective at your corporate job.

It's not just corporate, white collar workers who deal with this. Plenty of blue collar workers are starting work somewhere between 7 AM - 9 AM.

Sleep is also good for blue collar workers to be effective at their jobs.

Everything you said about white collar workers and sleep is true.

the one where you can go to sleep around 2-3 and wake up at 11ish. In a perfect world, this would be the sleep schedule.

There's one downside to this sleep schedule. While it could be advantageous for same night sex instances from bars, it might affect going on actual 1st and 2nd dates. Most early stage dates have a start time around 7-8 PM. Someone who wakes up at 11 AM is likely working a job that doesn't start until 1 PM or later and might not finish up work early enough to go on actual dates.

When I had that phase of going to sleep after midnight and waking up around 9:30 AM in 2013, I was unemployed. I was still available to go on dates at 7 PM during my unemployment phase.

There's a very small audience of women who would be available to go on a first date that starts at 10:30 PM.

 

[Mike32ct]

If your boss lets you pull half days off, you could arrange one (or possibly two) per month. And stay out late the night before.

I do this once in a while to go to the casino and stay over. I would either arrange to take the next day off or arrange a start time after 10:30 am (ie partial day off).

On normal days I start no later than 7am. Usually more like 6.

 

[BPH]

I cannot remember the last time I went to bed before midnight...

Even when I was a kid, I have difficulty remembering a time I went to bed before 10PM.

Currently, I go to bed around 4AM and wake up for work around 9AM. On weekends, I sleep in.

This is largely due to the first meal of my diet not being until 9AM, the fact that I get things done at night when it's quiet, and because I feel that if I sleep longer than 5-6 hours that I'm wasting time.

Objectively, it's f***ed. But I've been doing it for a while now.

 

[SW15]

If your boss lets you pull half days off, you could arrange one (or possibly two) per month. And stay out late the night before.

Most bosses won't allow this. Companies that allow half days (typically on Fridays) are rarer.

Additionally, most bosses are married people and it is difficult for them to identify with needing to find new women.

On normal days I start no later than 7am. Usually more like 6.

That's an early start. If that's at home, it's a little bit easier. Showing up somewhere in person between 6-7 am isn't fun. Traffic would be a little bit lighter than an 8-9 am start time.

I cannot remember the last time I went to bed before midnight... Objectively, it's f***ed

I think this is good for your seducer lifestyle. I agree that it is fuccked objectively.

Even when I was a kid, I have difficulty remembering a time I went to bed before 10PM.

I went to bed before 10 PM in childhood. My mom was strict about bedtimes at least prior to high school. Once I started high school, I seem to recall having some more flexibility on that. Even in high school, I didn't keep a late bedtime because of an 8 am school start time.

I would rather be lacking sleep for a high school or college class as compared to a white collar job.

 

[Ricky]

I think you can stay out late a few nights a week but not consecutive nights. In my 20s and 30s it wasnt a problem

i did bar and nightclub game mostly on weekends and did online date meetups as well during the week

 

[BaronOfHair]

I've never slept well, nonetheless once one is deep into their 3rd decade of life, bar hopping into the wee hours of the morning falls into the realm of childish things to be put away. Right next to slap bracelets and schemes to deflower the JV cheer captain over spring break

 

[DonJefe19]

I've never slept well, nonetheless once one is deep into their 3rd decade of life, bar hopping into the wee hours of the morning falls into the realm of childish things to be put away. Right next to slap bracelets and schemes to deflower the JV cheer captain over spring break

I feel y'all. I stay up past midnight and I feel it for the next two days >.<

 

[nicksaiz65]

There's one downside to this sleep schedule. While it could be advantageous for same night sex instances from bars, it might affect going on actual 1st and 2nd dates. Most early stage dates have a start time around 7-8 PM. Someone who wakes up at 11 AM is likely working a job that doesn't start until 1 PM or later and might not finish up work early enough to go on actual dates.

Maybe you either just restructure your sleep so you wake up right before the date, or schedule them for Friday/Saturday evening?

 

[nicksaiz65]

It seems like some people who work night shift are able to sustain a sleep schedule where they break their rest in two(biphasic sleeping.) I’m still researching and I’ll report my findings when done. It might be an effective method for us to copy or pull inspiration from to be able to game way more while still holding a day job.

 

[nicksaiz65]

On the Polyphasic Sleeping Strategy

I finished my research. It looks like it is indeed possible to use polyphasic/biphasic sleeping to get out and enjoy the nightlife more, even when holding a day job. It's inspired by night shift workers like doctors and nurses, who rely on biphasic sleep and strategic naps to stay sharp under intense, irregular hours. You would sleep in two core blocks—3 AM–7 AM and 4 PM–8 PM—totaling about 8 hours a day. This split-sleep approach mimics how medical staff anchor a “core sleep” even when working overnight shifts. We can take inspiration from them and use these sleep windows to manage sleep debt and keep energy stable without sacrificing nightlife or corporate job performance.

The reason this works is that it follows the key principle from shift work science: total sleep in 24 hours is what matters most. By consistently hitting 7–8 hours total—split into two parts— you get the same cognitive performance as a full 8-hour monophasic sleep, but with the flexibility to go out at night. Strategic naps (4 PM–8 PM block) replace the REM and slow-wave sleep you miss overnight, so you avoid sleep debt and stay mentally sharp. Using an “anchor sleep” (3–7 AM every day) also stabilizes your body’s clock, much like night shift workers do, which keeps you from feeling jetlagged or wrecked.

Here’s what a typical day looks like:

• 3–7 AM: Anchor sleep
• 8 AM–4 PM: Corporate job (fully alert thanks to circadian boost + coffee)
• 4–8 PM: Nap (deep recovery)
• 8 PM–2 AM: Nightlife or whatever else you want to do!
• 2–3 AM: Wind down, light snack
• Repeat!

On weekends or on days with a side hustle (I personally work a side hustle 2 days a week), this schedule transitions to a single, longer sleep window—like sleeping from 12 AM–7 AM(side hustle) or 5 AM–2 PM(weekend.) This helps to fully recover, as longer sleep periods allow for natural REM and deep sleep cycles to complete. The flexible design of the schedule—biphasic on nights out/busy days, monophasic when there’s more time—prevents sleep debt from building up while still supporting nights out and work obligations. By planning sleep this way and treating it like part of your work-life balance, you can be out much more without sacrificing performance or burning out.

I'm going to test this out for the next month, and then report back.

 

[CoolWave1331]

Whatever works for the person. I'm in bed by 9-9:30 PM because I rise just about when the sun is coming up. I like to have those 2 hours or so to get my workout in and "relax" (I guess some call it meditate) before starting work. I would not be able to pull this off if I went to bed later and Ihave no intention on sacrificing sleep for anything (Already did enough of the party all night-feel like a Zombie thing).

A seducer is "always on the clock" - the same woman who finds you sexy when she's sloshed at 11 pm is the same one that will think so at 1:30 pm when you walk past her on your way back to the office after buying grabbing lunch.

Any time, any place is good. You just have to strike when the opportunity presents itself.

nicksaiz65, apparently long ago that's what people did, they slept in increments throughout the day.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Your professional and health structure should dictate your lifestyle not women. If it becomes overwhelming, plug it into your calendar and see where things fit.

 

[SW15]

A seducer is "always on the clock" - the same woman who finds you sexy when she's sloshed at 11 pm is the same one that will think so at 1:30 pm when you walk past her on your way back to the office after buying grabbing lunch.

A seducer is "always on the clock". However, it's unlikely to be the exact same woman. In big cities, it's not that common to run into the same woman in 2 different places.

Any time, any place is good. You just have to strike when the opportunity presents itself.

Yes

total sleep in 24 hours is what matters most.

I can see that. I've always slept my 7-9 hours in one larger block of time.

• 3–7 AM: Anchor sleep
• 8 AM–4 PM: Corporate job (fully alert thanks to circadian boost + coffee)
• 4–8 PM: Nap (deep recovery)
• 8 PM–2 AM: Nightlife or whatever else you want to do!
• 2–3 AM: Wind down, light snack

I've never had a corporate job that was only 8 AM to 4 PM. If that's reality, that's a sign of a bad corporate structure and one that will likely result in an SMV reducing layoff.

Corporate jobs take longer than that. If they require showing up in person, you haven't factored in morning prep time, morning commute, and evening commute into your day.

Maybe you either just restructure your sleep so you wake up right before the date, or schedule them for Friday/Saturday evening?

Both plans seem difficult to execute in reality.