"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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What is an AFC?

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AFC. Average Frustrated Chump. You know what it means. But really, what DOES it mean?

Average - What is the definition of this? 5' 10", 160 lbs, short hair, lanky build, maybe dresses averagely. Does everyone that can't get women look like this? No. What is YOUR definition of average?

Frustrated - If you can't get women, I can see how this goes. Self-explanitory.

Chump - Gets walked on, broken hearted. How do YOU define a chump? How does that become the universal impression?

Can someone that has a girl be an AFC? Sure, he might be average, but what if he isn't frustrated and doesn't fit your definition of a chump?

Just something to think about. I'd love to see some replies.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Average - What is the definition of this? 5' 10", 160 lbs, short hair, lanky build, maybe dresses averagely. Does everyone that can't get women look like this? No. What is YOUR definition of average? Average does not refer to the shape, form, physical attractiveness. The Average of the AFC is the Average amount of knowledge of the opposite sex. Things they've learned from media, uninformed parennts, peers, and the such. They don't really have the experience to know about woman, mostly because their stuck in the rut, they call "Nice Guyness", and don't want to accept anything else.

Frustrated - If you can't get women, I can see how this goes. Self-explanitory. essentially, because the kind of guys that are typically afc's are single and confused, which makes them angry and upset. The emphasis on this term is confused.

Chump - Gets walked on, broken hearted. How do YOU define a chump? How does that become the universal impression? Chump is just a guy that entails the two previous requirements. It is generally a negative word. Average Frustrated Buddy doesn't have the same effect. :D

Can someone that has a girl be an AFC? Sure, he might be average, but what if he isn't frustrated and doesn't fit your definition of a chump? Of course he can. Just because he's not frustrated due to being single. He can be frustrated because he doesn't know what he's doing, and is in constant fear he will screw up the relationship. He is also frustrated because all the things he buys his girlfriend doesn't raise her interest. Typical AFC problems, as listed in Pooks - Be a Man!

This was fun crazy! do it again sometime!
 

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Re: Re: What is an AFC?

Originally posted by Vincent
This was fun crazy! do it again sometime!
You'll enjoy answering something a few days then. Keep an eye out.
 

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Re: Re: Re: What is an AFC?

Originally posted by crazykid
You'll enjoy answering something a few days then. Keep an eye out.
:D
 

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Heres what I think;

AFC=A guy who doesnt fully understand how women work. Thinks what his mom tells him about how to treat girls is correct, and thinks if he remains that nice guy then eventually girls will flock to him for his nice qualities.

Frustrated= Knows he isnt successful with woman, yet has neither the balls or the knowledge to change his poition.

I think AFC guys can have girls, because girls can be AFC too, or at least entail alot of the qualities a AFC has.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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What is average?
Who is above average to define "average" ?

The "average" concept has two origins: one is that everyone must fit in , in Moslow's pyramid of psychological needs.
If you don't fit in, you feel bad. It's the way western society works.

And those above "average", are just kids in another gang.
It's A versus B, only that B people think they are "good" with women.

That leads us to the Frustrated part.

Frustrated? Why?
Because you can't walk around with a "HB" and show them to your peers like if she was a badge or a expensive car or a trophy?
That makes you sad? That makes you feel worthless? THAT ALONE MAKES YOU FEEL LIKE A F*CKING PIECE OF LIVING SH!T THAT ISN'T WORTH BEING CALLED A MAN ?

Chump?
Chump?

Do you care about a f*cking label someone gives you? A nickname?
A f*cking category that insecure people make to help them feel better for themselves, to take their egos out of the line by thinking: "at least I'm not an AFC, I can get laid!! "

Great sh!t, you're not an "AFC", but your life is a piece of sh!t ! AFC or not , death is only a heartbeat away. Terrorists don't make any distinctions between AFCS and DJs, just like bullets don't do.

There are no AFCs, there are no DJs. Just people. No human being is alike one another. And God, god only knows the sh!t everyone have got to be through in life, so instead of being a stupid futile as$hole that labels people, think twice.

If thinking like this makes me an AFC, so what, f*ck it, I'm an AFC then.

But I assure this, I doubt that you'll ever see an AFC with such enormous peace of mind like this one.

Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone that sees what's going on?
Read between the lines,
criticize the words they're selling.
Think for yourself and feel the walls...
become sand beneath your feet.
(/rant)

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Very interesting perspective BBB! You really cant define and label anyone now can you! But if I am killed in a terrorist attack or shot to death tommorw, well I am going to have as much fun as possible today and enjoy my life to the fullest. And I think thats what being a Don Juan is all about!
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Originally posted by Heizen


I think AFC guys can have girls, because girls can be AFC too, or at least entail alot of the qualities a AFC has.
I don't think this is why AFC guys have girls though. By nature, guys are supposed to be more dominant, leaderly, and girls are supposed to be more submissive, followers. With AFCs, the balance is reversed, with guys being submissive and indecive, and finding a dominating girl. It 99% never works though, because it goes against the nature of both genders.
 

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Originally posted by MetalFortress
I don't think this is why AFC guys have girls though. By nature, guys are supposed to be more dominant, leaderly, and girls are supposed to be more submissive, followers. With AFCs, the balance is reversed, with guys being submissive and indecive, and finding a dominating girl. It 99% never works though, because it goes against the nature of both genders.
Well, think about it some.

An AFC guy is a lonely guy that will smother a girl in attention because he thinks thats what a girl wants. And AFC girl will do the same thing, give lots of attention, or simply accept the traits of a AFC because she is, in fact, lonely and frustrated at trying to find a relationship.

In essence, they are together because their traits somewhat compliment each other. What this means though, is that if they ever happen to break up, the AFC will continue to be frustrated because what worked with a AFC-like girl doesnt work on 99% of the other girls. The girl will continue to be lonely because she will think every guy will do the things that the AFC did, because while they may have led to the downfall of the relationship in the end, it was still fullfilling to a girl that isnt used to having a boyfriend or attention, even if he was just being submissive.

After all, there are tons and tons of people that are dating or married right now dispite the fact that the guy is an AFC and the girl doesnt know any better. It just that should the AFC guy try to actually have a steady stream of girls and play, none of the qualities he has will allow him to do so.

Blah, I am thinking to much, back to my summer homework I go :p
 

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Average: The majority of people, of whom which are the "Frustrated Chumps."

Frustrated: Angry at a situation (in this case, women).

Chump: Unsuccesful in what they do, though they mean well. They want to do good but do not have the motivation to, even thoug they'll complain a lot and look for the easy way out.

Someone mentioned "Above/below average" in order to define the "average" part. The way I see it is above average frustrated chumps will be looking for a solution more than others, whilst below average would be more lazy.


In regular context (not analyzing each damn word), calling someone an AFC or saying you were an AFC means that you want to do well with women but either don't have the motivation to do better or don't have the willpower to find out more.
 

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What does it really matter? In my mind the afc, is everything i am trying to get away from, lazyness, fear and so on. It takes no physical meaning for me.
 
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