What happens when America crumbles?

[Stagger Lee]

This is an example of the real crumbling of America: You lose a good job over a youtube video stating your opinion. And never find another job and go from riches to rags and on food stamps cfo-food-stamps-controversial-viral-video

Now I certainly don't agree with what the libtard said, but if a pro-gay libtard faces "consequence" then who doesn't?

No free speech
If you manage to get a good job and lose it (easy to do), you'll likely never find another
Lot's of immigration to replace you in the nearly non-existent job market!

The irony is PC dictates you're suppose to be pro-gay judge-fines-wash-florist-over-same-sex-wedding-flowers

Apparently in America today if you express most any opinion or belief one way or the other, you're liable to be exposed to a with-hunt and be punished or blacklisted by the private and/or public sector both :crazy:.

 

[user43770]

If a country had ZERO welfare, and everybody HAD to make their own money, it would attract a completely different type of immigrant, even from the same countries from which current immigrants come.

There's more to our current predicament than just welfare. I work in construction and I see plenty of immigrants that are producing more than most Americans ever will. The typical American worker pushes papers all day. It's a service economy now - you don't have to produce anything. That's part of the problem.

 

[user43770]

My mistake, taiyuu, after reading your post again I completely agree with you. Your post just got me thinking.

Even if everyone on welfare was willing to work and the jobs were there for the taking, that wouldn't change our current trajectory. Most of the jobs currently out there don't provide any real value, they're just a means of moving money around.

 

[Mike32ct]

There is no doubt that the QUALITY of our jobs has declined significantly. That's one of the problems with even the "positive" jobs numbers. A lot of the "new jobs" are part-time or fast food or retail or pencil pusher jobs.

That's why I've always been so vehemently anti-NAFTA. Once the US lost its manufacturing base, a lot of good paying jobs were lost as well.

You bring wealth into a country by exporting. But you can only export manufactured products, food, and natural resources. Service jobs don't bring wealth into the country UNLESS the businesses have international clients.

Just to be clear, I would never criticize anybody's job. Anybody who makes an honest living has my respect. I don't care if you sweep floors for a living. But I blame the policies of our country that have made good paying, productive, wealth building jobs decrease in number.

 

[Stagger Lee]

No matter how educated or high of a job position you might have, you are just a temporary worker and easily replaceable a dime a dozen now. But for some reason the elitist think we need even more and more foreign-born workers brought in and more outsourcing.

The trend now is to catch someone saying or doing anything on social media, deem it "offensive" then chase down their employer and get them fired. That's what happened in the news link I posted earlier.

 

[Mike32ct]

No matter how educated or high of a job position you might have, you are just a temporary worker and easily replaceable a dime a dozen now. But for some reason the elitist think we need even more and more foreign-born workers brought in and more outsourcing.

No doubt. Outsourcing to overseas or "in-sourcing" via H1-Bs*.

*That's the other component of "comprehensive" immigration reform. It's more than just addressing issues with the border and illegal immigration. It also calls for a large increase in H1-Bs, which is a completely UNRELATED issue.

The trend now is to catch someone saying or doing anything on social media, deem it "offensive" then chase down their employer and get them fired. That's what happened in the news link I posted earlier.

Yes very true.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Big business and private sector are getting to be worse than the government. Indiana passed a law to protect business and people's rights from being infringed by the gay agenda and who is against it besides the gay libtards ? Angie's List, Apple, Walmart etc.

Big businesses don't believe in free speech either and support PC and affirmative action. The wealthy and big businesses are pushing progressivism probably more than the government. They mostly control the government to begin with.

Well I have no use for Angie's List and Apple and little use for Walmart. Also big business sports teams like the NBA and WNBA are against the law. I have no use for them either, eff them.

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Supporters say the legislation will keep the government from forcing business owners to act against strongly held religious beliefs. Opponents say it is discriminatory against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender people and broader than other states' religious freedom laws.

"This bill is not about discrimination and does not in any way legalize discrimination in Indiana," said Pence's spokeswoman, Kara Brooks

Indiana's [law] also drew criticism from business leaders...

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Yep, there's a kajillion reasons, going back over 100 years even, why the economy is going down the toilet, and will NEVER get better.

No matter what issue you start on, there's no end to the deep rabbit hole of big-biz-crony-gov-corruption.

How's this for a kick in the face:

California Unemployment Claims Processed by H1B Foreign Workers

The office in Cal where they process claims for unemployment benefits is being staffed almost completely by H1B Immigrants.

How about this:

Newspapers Run Fake Want Adds To Secure H1B Visa Workers

And here's from Economic Unintended Consequences 101:

Normally, in a healthy free market, tech demand would mean companies would pay more for workers, which would entice more students to study tech, and eventually fill the jobs. Increased demand is met with an increased supply in an unconstrained market.

But because tech companies are so big, they can lobby government to short cut the process, allowing them H1B workers. This lowers the demand, and the price, for tech workers.

So all those smart kids aren't motivated to study tech, since the jobs aren't paying so much. What do they study? Finance, and financial engineering.

Kind of like an inter-country brain drain (from tech to finance).

One of the MANY REASONS there's so many derivatives that in the hundreds of trillions. All the smart American kids have been seduced by the dark side, many of the tech jobs are being filled by cheaper H1B dudes.

This is just ONE micro-problem within a micro issue of the self destructing Western Economic system. There are multitudes more.

 

[old married dude]

A collapsed and broken USA certainly would be at risk for invasion.

We could be invaded sure, but occupied? Never.

Any force trying to occupy us would suffer the same fate Napoleon did in Russia & Hitler did in the Soviet Union.

 

[Gimple]

We could be invaded sure, but occupied? Never.

Any force trying to occupy us would suffer the same fate Napoleon did in Russia & Hitler did in the Soviet Union.

What fates did Napoleon and Hitler suffer? Please tell me how becoming the dictator of the entire world is suffering?

 

[old married dude]

What fates did Napoleon and Hitler suffer? Please tell me how becoming the dictator of the entire world is suffering?

They both left many of their troops behind as frozen corpses there in Russia/Soviet Union.

Imagine trying to occupy Chicago when winter rolls around...it would be the same thing as Leningrad or Stalingrad really.

 

[Bible_Belt]

If you split America into the red/blue divide, pretty much all the urban area is blue. I think those people would fold immediately. All they would care about is that the trains run on time and the city continues to function. When a city stops running, the people in it will have to flee or die.

Red America, where I live, is the opposite. We're too poor and too spread out to be much of a military objective. Most of us are rednecks, which means you have to own a gun. It's like a rule. We also do things like hunt and farm, both of which would come in handy if there wasn't much food.

Any place you see corn growing - that corn was almost certainly fertilized with ammonium nitrate. It's a great nitrogen source as a fertilizer. The second most popular use of it is to mix it with diesel to form a quick and easy improvised explosive. That's what McVeigh used in OKC. Now all Federal buildings are designed like fortresses, because of the way he obliterated that one. Every farmer in the midwest has a barn with fertilizer and diesel in it.

The Nazis conquered the country of Greece, but they never fully controlled every island. A lot of the Greek people simply refused to quit fighting. There are stories of old women running out to stick the Nazi paratroopers with their kitchen knives as they dropped from the sky. I think red state America would be like that. If this country were being overrun, I think every crusty old war vet down at the VA home would be volunteering to be a suicide bomber.

Red State America would not down without an ugly fight. Blue State America would surrender immediately. From the perspective of the invading force, it would make the most sense to just take the cities. America wouldn't end; we'd just become a smaller, poorer nation of corn fields, barren worthless mountains and desert, and trailer parks.

 

[Tictac]

What fates did Napoleon and Hitler suffer? Please tell me how becoming the dictator of the entire world is suffering?

Failed history did you gimp?

 

[Gimple]

They both left many of their troops behind as frozen corpses there in Russia/Soviet Union.

Imagine trying to occupy Chicago when winter rolls around...it would be the same thing as Leningrad or Stalingrad really.

We've been having some very strange weather for years now. We've had it very cold. What if the tide is turning? Who's to say next winter in America won't be so mild that it's barely uncomfortable to sleep in a tent at night? Wouldn't that work in great favor for the invaders?

Red America, where I live, is the opposite. We're too poor and too spread out to be much of a military objective. Most of us are rednecks, which means you have to own a gun. It's like a rule. We also do things like hunt and farm, both of which would come in handy if there wasn't much food.

Glad to hear, man. Sounds like you're in a good place to live over the coming years.

Failed history did you gimp?

Funny you should say that. I actually have been waking up to a pain in my foot that causes me to limp around.

Also, I'm the expert on all versions of history.

 

[Gimple]

I'm leaving this forum after I post this message, never to return.

If you live in New York City or Los Angeles, it would be my advice that you leave ASAP, and spread the word. A week from now, it will be too late.

However, I have a legally documented schizophrenia diagnosis and have recently gone off my meds for a short period. I'm currently upping my dose again, so they should kick in again very soon.

But I ask that you simply consult and trust your instincts.