What exactly is Brexit?

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So why is it a problem if the labor costs went up? Those jobs used to be done by college kids in the summer....if the wages were high enough they would come back agaim.
Then costs go up, and the domestic producer gets squashed by foreign competitors. $15 an hour is becoming the new minimum wage. I don't know exactly what you have to pay a millennial to work in the hot sun all day, at least double that I would guess.
 
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Then costs go up, and the domestic producer gets squashed by foreign competitors. $15 an hour is becoming the new minimum wage. I don't know exactly what you have to pay a millennial to work in the hot sun all day, at least double that I would guess.
Then we put up a tariff on food imports.

As I said before, destroying our culture and people to keep costs low is just plain stupid.
 

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Then we put up a tariff on food imports.

As I said before, destroying our culture and people to keep costs low is just plain stupid.
I probably have more in common with the lettuce picking Mexicans that I do a typical millenial. Assuming we did manage to replace the former with the latter, which is no small task, prices would double on a lot of different commodities. Several would probably disappear from the marketplace altogether, the crops that are most labor intensive and least mechanized.
 

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I probably have more in common with the lettuce picking Mexicans that I do a typical millenial. Assuming we did manage to replace the former with the latter, which is no small task, prices would double on a lot of different commodities. Several would probably disappear from the marketplace altogether, the crops that are most labor intensive and least mechanized.

Then maybe you shpuld move to mexico insteadb
of turning our country into it.

No crop would disappear, the prices would just rise to their correct equilibrium price.
 

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Then maybe you shpuld move to mexico insteadb
of turning our country into it.

No crop would disappear, the prices would just rise to their correct equilibrium price.
Yeah, a "correct" price that was so high, no one would pay it, especially after you already undercut their purchasing power so drastically with tariffs that raised prices.

It was the best corn crop that most people can remember in my area. But farmers are going to be lucky to break even after prices plummeted because of the Trump tariffs. And the aid package all went to soybean farmers. This is where tariffs get us, bankrupt farms.
 
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Yeah, a "correct" price that was so high, no one would pay it, especially after you already undercut their purchasing power so drastically with tariffs that raised prices.

It was the best corn crop that most people can remember in my area. But farmers are going to be lucky to break even after prices plummeted because of the Trump tariffs. And the aid package all went to soybean farmers. This is where tariffs get us, bankrupt farms.
There is an equilibrium for all goods with supply and demand that equilibrium is where the price would be set.

Some items would go up in price, some would go down.

Likewise the labor market would reach an equilibrium.

If costs were so high in some area, an enterprising entrepreneur would find a way to lower them.

All without desteoying cultures or people.

But again, for you cheaper oranges are worth destroying entire cultures.
 

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It requires nothing.

You are making the argument that it is ok to destroy cultures for the economy.

That is just ridiculous.
It’s refreshing that you finally offer an opinion. My argument is simple; declining population is declining economy. You may dislike economic growth but your government feels otherwise.
 

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From an economic point of view whatever entered europe from africa and middle east in the last 15 years didnt help at all to boost the growth, actually the amount of welfare they costed plus the amount of cost in terms of crime rate/jails/courts strongly outbalance any dream pro migration people support.
That’s total bull****. Immigrants are required for economic growth in societies with poor birth rates. Your argument is based on emotion with a side of bigotry. The reality is basic math; your country needs immigrants.
 

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It’s refreshing that you finally offer an opinion. My argument is simple; declining population is declining economy. You may dislike economic growth but your government feels otherwise.
My argument is simple....populations ebb and flow constantly. It is beyond stupid to use this as an excuse to destroy the western nations.
 

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If someone is willing to work for less money, how does that "destroy" anyone's culture? An authentic economy is better than Marxist policies like tariff consumer taxes and phoney price supports. Without a free economy, there won't be much culture to destroy.
 
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My argument is simple....populations ebb and flow constantly. It is beyond stupid to use this as an excuse to destroy the western nations.
Immigration does not destroy countries. Your premise is based on bigotry. If replacement level is not at least 2.1 children per women, the population will decline in the long term. The United States has been under true birth replacement level since the 1980s.
 

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If someone is willing to work for less money, how does that "destroy" anyone's culture? An authentic economy is better than Marxist policies like tariff consumer taxes and phoney price supports. Without a free economy, there won't be much culture to destroy.
What is a "free economy?" You cant be referring to the corporate socialism that runs the United States...
 
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This is a complex situation. Both sides are right and both are wrong. Depending on the specific point.

Ask yourself an important question. Why does this situation even exist and what’s its purpose. Who wins?
 
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Why don’t immigrants have the balls to have their revolution? America had theirs. France. Britain. Nearly every country in the free world has their revolution.
America has its constitution. Europe has the Magna Carta.
You must fight for prosperity. You don’t just up and go siphon off the fruits of another productive country. You didn’t inherit it from the right kind of people.

Why is the birth rates of the west so low? Who convinced entire cultures to forgo reproduction?
Feminism. But why use feminism?

Hint. Russia and the Bolsheviks convinced women that they would be in charge of the birth control and be able to have abortions and other such reforms.
Later they had to take it away because the birth rate dropped way too low and the communist/socialist ideal was not sustainable without enough slaves.
 

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That’s total bull****. Immigrants are required for economic growth in societies with poor birth rates. Your argument is based on emotion with a side of bigotry. The reality is basic math; your country needs immigrants.
Quality immigration in required to sustain the economy of a country not uneducated uncivilized people, western europe had great benefits after the fall or the soviet union when polish and baltics moved west.

Its clearly not the case with uncivilized, violent, culturally sick africans and middle easterns (most of them at least).

The only emotions here come from people who think that if the wine is low it only takes to drop water inside it to fill up the bottle.

If you dont believe my word feel free to check rape stats all over europe in the last 15 yrs, then see the areas with major attacks and cross them with demographics...btw do you think the tribal warface with kinfes and acids comes out of brits getting man in london in the recent years?

Truth is there are certain cultures which go in the other direction of civilization and this fact its clear in their own home countries.
 
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Immigration does not destroy countries. Your premise is based on bigotry. If replacement level is not at least 2.1 children per women, the population will decline in the long term. The United States has been under true birth replacement level since the 1980s.

Immigration from it
other cultures destroys the native culture.

Again, populations throuout history have ebbed and flowed in different regions. It is no reason to destroy a culture.
 

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Immigration does not destroy countries. Your premise is based on bigotry. If replacement level is not at least 2.1 children per women, the population will decline in the long term. The United States has been under true birth replacement level since the 1980s.
I understand its complicate for a NPC to get it but humans are not numbers that can be added or removed by units, equality is the biggest lie of the modern time.
 

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Immigration from it
other cultures destroys the native culture.

Again, populations throuout history have ebbed and flowed in different regions. It is no reason to destroy a culture.
He simply cannot think outside the scripted lines, as if technology and resources allocation has no impact on population and economics.

The simple concept of cultures which show how people with conflicting backround cant live peacefully if forced close to each other.

Reminds me of those european leftists 10 yrs ago talking about immigration being an unstoppable force that always existed and could have never been controlled...then they lost the recent elections and guess what illegal immigration dropped to single digit compated to the previous cycle.

Same exact lines "we make no kids so we need immigrants", no mention ofc that their cost was much higher than what they provided in terms of taxes and welfare alone, no mention of social costs.

These are road blocks in german market streets, you know if some "immigrant not accustomed to our driving laws happen to run on people".
 
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A few years back I worked in Alberta, Canada and back then, before all this craziness, to get permission to immigrate, you had to have a skill set that benefited Canada or that Canada needed.

Otherwise there is no chance of immigration. Let’s look at the upside and the downside of this.

It’s good for Canada but you just took a skilled member of a country in trouble. Thus making it even harder for that former country to survive with its best people leaving.

However Canada wa smart enough to keep their interests in the country that voted them in.

To just bring in all the unskilled of the world creates a terrible burden. So who would do such a thing?
 

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He simply cannot think outside the scripted lines, as if technology and resources allocation has no impact on population and economics.
The answer is always in the patterns. Everything Liberals support brings about the destruction of western cultures.

They don't necessarily support the individual items themselves, they have just been programmed to defend them, and how to do so.

The real goal is destruction of the west. Not one single liberal initiative works to preserve it. It is always to further it's destruction.

Open immigration
Open borders
LGBT
Taxing the productive
Subsidizing the unproductive
Seizing all guns
Destroying Christianity
Defending Islam
Seizing money
Blaming whites for everything
Supporting non-whites at the expense of whites
Feminizing men
Masculinizing women

The list is endless, and every one weakens America and the west.
 
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