"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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What does every girl i talk to ends up taken

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For a long time i had this moral code , to avoid dating or having and kind of relationship with a taken girl , and as i mentioned in a previous thread i do get plenty of attention from the ladies and usually hot and cute chicks show serious interest in me .... when i find a girl iam physically attracted to and think we have a similar personality i appproach her , and 9/10 she responds and we have a lengthy convo that leads to another and another and a date .

I do my best to avoid taken girls but for the past year or two every girl i talked to , flirted with and felt we have some kind of chemistry turned out taken .... a chick i met a few months ago who was acting hot and cold (till i told her to cut the crap) turned out taken , we went out and flirted and she even messages me sometimes, a week after our date she uploaded a pic of her and her bf or even fiance .....
Another chick i am talking to atm also has a bf or atleast so her classmates told me ....i guess if i get some action its fine ..... but i just cant figure out why i end up attracting taken girls when iam doing my best to avoid such girls ....
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Do not worry about that. Unless the boyfriend is a nutcase that might come to kick your ass or kill you, you are fine. You do your thing, let them decide who's more worth it, you or her bf.
 

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Do not worry about that. Unless the boyfriend is a nutcase that might come to kick your ass or kill you, you are fine. You do your thing, let them decide who's more worth it, you or her bf.
yeah that makes sense lol, dont have many options tbh, every girl i ever met who was even slightly attractive had a bf, iam 23 how come all the girls are already taken
 

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yeah that makes sense lol, dont have many options tbh, every girl i ever met who was even slightly attractive had a bf, iam 23 how come all the girls are already taken
Because the good ones are taken very early by the genetically gifted.

What can you do. Got to be lucky in life.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Because the good ones are taken very early by the genetically gifted.

What can you do. Got to be lucky in life.
Wouldnt say gifted my friend cause most of these girls have pretty averags bfs and that is one of the reasons they are attracted to me
 

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Just try introducing these "taken" girls to other guy friends you may know. Encourage them to try to date your guy friends. Just try to push them off onto your guy friends. Show them that you're avoiding them and want nothing to do with them. You're happy with or without. Just keep livin. Roll dough and buy more.
 

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It’s partly luck tbh.

It’s annoying though, because girls with desirable qualities are in relationships the most and so your window to date them is tiny.

I find the same. Every girl I flirt with at parties that flirts back enormously then has her bf enter the room. Even more annoyingly, he’s normally some lanky unwashed hippie guy she’s only with out of long-term “duty” rather than present attraction.
 

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It’s partly luck tbh.

It’s annoying though, because girls with desirable qualities are in relationships the most and so your window to date them is tiny.

I find the same. Every girl I flirt with at parties that flirts back enormously then has her bf enter the room. Even more annoyingly, he’s normally some lanky unwashed hippie guy she’s only with out of long-term “duty” rather than present attraction.
i ended up going on a date with a chick and finding out a week later she has a bf, another asked me out and turns out she has a bf as well, and a third chick a while ago whom i've had some lengthy convos with and flirting turned out engaged .... on one hand its kinda cool that hot girls are choosing me over the guy they "love" but on the other hand finding something real and meaningful is tough
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Last year met 2 chicks who had a bf . Fcked them both . If you want a relationship, you're looking at the worng place.
 

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Last year met 2 chicks who had a bf . Fcked them both . If you want a relationship, you're looking at the worng place.
that is my objective atm, fvcking plain and simple
 

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i ended up going on a date with a chick and finding out a week later she has a bf, another asked me out and turns out she has a bf as well, and a third chick a while ago whom i've had some lengthy convos with and flirting turned out engaged .... on one hand its kinda cool that hot girls are choosing me over the guy they "love" but on the other hand finding something real and meaningful is tough
Well, the sad thing is they aren't choosing you over the guy they love. They're just stringing you along and getting emotional gratification.

A recurring theme I've noticed is that if you continue talking to these women, you are essentially providing everything their d*ckhead BF isn't...but at the end of the day, he's the guy she goes home and bangs.

I immediately drop attention as soon as she shows she's single now, because I refuse to be used that way.

 

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This is the one thing I've been struggling with the most and as a college student, I experience the exact same thing except they never tell me that they're in a relationship, I end up finding out. & this is after setting up a date. There was one single instance when a girl talked about her bf in front of me, yet couldn't take her hands off of me and was telling me how h0rny she was. I guess that as a dj, one can't let stuff like that bother him. He just continues doing things as if they weren't in a relationship.
 

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This is the one thing I've been struggling with the most and as a college student, I experience the exact same thing except they never tell me that they're in a relationship, I end up finding out. & this is after setting up a date. There was one single instance when a girl talked about her bf in front of me, yet couldn't take her hands off of me and was telling me how h0rny she was. I guess that as a dj, one can't let stuff like that bother him. He just continues doing things as if they weren't in a relationship.
Then you smash her and send her back to her needy bf. Tell her to hit you up when she thinks about you and gets all tingly feeling again lol.

You guys think just because you're exclusive with a chick there arent guys who are sliding in their DMs and trying to pick them up? Knowing they are taken doesn't bother them. Why does it bother you to do that to a woman? State your intent (covertly or overtly) and she can make a grown woman decision about what she wants. She will either pick up what you're laying down or not.

The strongest survive. If there isnt a piece of paper stating she is married, it's open season.

Relationships begin and end every day. Chicks are always looking for a better option. Why arent you doing the same?
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Wouldnt say gifted my friend cause most of these girls have pretty averags bfs and that is one of the reasons they are attracted to me
Just wait a couple more years then, they'll all be out on the market again.
 

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For a long time i had this moral code , to avoid dating or having and kind of relationship with a taken girl , and as i mentioned in a previous thread i do get plenty of attention from the ladies and usually hot and cute chicks show serious interest in me .... when i find a girl iam physically attracted to and think we have a similar personality i appproach her , and 9/10 she responds and we have a lengthy convo that leads to another and another and a date .

I do my best to avoid taken girls but for the past year or two every girl i talked to , flirted with and felt we have some kind of chemistry turned out taken .... a chick i met a few months ago who was acting hot and cold (till i told her to cut the crap) turned out taken , we went out and flirted and she even messages me sometimes, a week after our date she uploaded a pic of her and her bf or even fiance .....
Another chick i am talking to atm also has a bf or atleast so her classmates told me ....i guess if i get some action its fine ..... but i just cant figure out why i end up attracting taken girls when iam doing my best to avoid such girls ....
You spin so many plates, it blends into one big set.

It's not my biz who or what she dates. I just want in.

It's been the case, her ltr, husband or fiance is forgotten if she wants the D. I don't seek out that scenario. I just don't care to ask.
 

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Well, the sad thing is they aren't choosing you over the guy they love. They're just stringing you along and getting emotional gratification.

A recurring theme I've noticed is that if you continue talking to these women, you are essentially providing everything their d*ckhead BF isn't...but at the end of the day, he's the guy she goes home and bangs.

I immediately drop attention as soon as she shows she's single now, because I refuse to be used that way.


i have no interest in dating these girls, i dont invest in them either iam aware that some want orbiters or some emotional action that shes lacking from her bfs, i refuse to give them that , what i do instead is put the minimum required to take her out and when we do go out i escalate, my mission is to get sexual with such women, they can never be truted as long term parteners therefore i dont really care about , of course in the beggining such girls look great, cute, dont act or dress slvtty, and very nice sounds like great gf material ... then you find out that she has a bf whom shes cheating on and all that goes down the drain .
 

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You just talked to 2 women dude . I doubt there are only 2 women in your area . Try more .
idk what kind of life you lead but i work 4 days a week, study 2 and i have exams i cant afford to be blowing my time like that
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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