"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What do you think about getting laid in 30-60 days method?

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http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/cat/advanced/160.html

Has this article been discussed here at sosuave? He talks about LJBF and how escalating at the wrong time is the culprit. He says that we should aim to be friends with the girl, yet never making her want to be your friend or LJBF. So treat her as a friend but don't let her be your friend.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Personally I think two months is way too long. I think the whole starting out as friends thing isn't the best way. It's like trying to sarge your sister, it's not the right type of relationship to make sexual. However, if you start with sexual tension and interweave being friendly throughout, you'd have a better chance in less time.
 

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That was written by Sebastian, one of the Natural Game guys. I think he's suggesting the make friends with women first mindset to help a certain kind of guy, which is the guy who's always in hunting mode when he socializes. Some guys are so eager for the lay that they telegraph their eagerness and try to escalate too quickly. It would probably help their game a lot to calm down and get to know the women first.

On the other hand, you have guys who wait too long to escalate because they're scared. Not capitalizing when you have a window for escalation is just as bad as escalating at the wrong time. Both are social miscalibration and convey lack of experience, lowering your value.

Also I think that article is just a rough blueprint, not a guaranteed method like it's being advertised as. The point of a 30-60 day timeframe is so an AFC can identify his problems as well as internalize good social game. Some guys have internal game issues that will take longer than 60 days to fix, especially without a mentor. Others will take that long just to get a # or a kiss close. It's still a good starting place though.
 

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Ok Thanks a bunch on your take on this, that it's a training plan.

Now, I've got another question, but NO link :(

Have ANY of you ever read the e-book by J.D. Fuentes entitled "THE SEXUAL KEY:
How to Use the Structure of Female
Emotion to Arouse a Woman in Minutes

??

I've read it before, and am currently re-reading all the stuff I've collected over the years, basically to delete/throw away useless and to keep the useful.

This one looks like a keeper. Talks about how Words are the key to a woman's emotions (both abstract and physical in the moments i.e. sexual ones). It's from the old NLP, Richard Bandler, Ross Jeffries, etc scheme, but I believe that the book must be about 3-4 years old.

It kind of helps me to understand that kino ain't IT, that you MUST arouse a woman through your words, basically women will listen to Anything over you touching them, and thus your words can keep pushing the envelop until her abstract emotions accepts or isn't accessed by her to go ahead and let you pump her full of, the cvm juice!
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I read J.D's book a long time ago. If my memory serves me correctly, the most useful stuff is at the back

Everyone should consider improving their communication skills..however, my concern is that if you start using the type of language constructs that JD suggests, and you do it OUT OF SOCIAL CONTEXT, you will sound like a complete freaker!
 
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