What do you STILL don't get about women after being a player for a decent amount of time?

[Drmuscular]

I'm nowhere near experienced as some of the members here but I think it could be an interesting discussion.

On my part, I do think women will always surprise you, generally i think the answer to "what women want" is not solved yet and probably never will be since there is just too many factors.

A redpiller might say to me that you have to make money and gain status, then I see a beautiful woman marry a bum and reject the guy who promised her to fly her out and get her out of poverty on the regular, in fact women in social media get approached by tons of high status rich guys yet the norm is rejection.

A blackpiller might say to me that looks are all that matters but then average looking men get beautiful women all the time even today.

Then you might say "but what about game?" game does help as a generalization, but I found that a lot of women are put off by game, conservative and traditional countries specially seem to favor a more bluepilled kind of game where you are not supplicant nor "beta simp" but you still give romantic talks, tons of compliments and attention, contrary to what's preached around the manosphere, if game as we know it was 100% correct then "lovebombing" simply wouldn't be a thing.

You can never know what a woman wants at any given moment, everything is a % chance even when the best game and looks on the planet.

 

[Gamisch]

That life can only be understood backwards but it must be lived forwards.

That applies to women and the mental condition regarding women. We have to stay in a backwards state of mind to see eye to eye with them, while we simultaneously have to keep going forward and progress in order to provide for them.

If only we could think forward and live forward...

 

[Travel memoir21]

It's up to you as Man to live a purposeful life everyday. Find true Inner peace and self esteem and have Passions and goals that you strive for, it doesn't hurt to have a sense of faith and spiritual calling while you're at it. Women are just a by product of who you truly are. You can call it Karma or Social Momentum but what you do everyday and the sum of your habits can really create a shift for you. Approach two women at the Park or at a coffee shop everyday with a buddy. That's 730 approaches in a year, those are good numbers to land a few dates. Women are here to be enjoyed not overanalyzed.

 

[Manure Spherian]

"what women want"

This is a question that needs to f— die! It is the basis of gynocentrism.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If I have to pick one...

What's the appeal of Edward Cullen, a fella who's simultaneously more fey than Liberace , yet a more garrish posterchild for every stereotype about men than the villains in I Spit On Your Grave?

 

[super_soaker]

nothing tbh, i spent quite a long time trying to figure this out honestly.
went out constantly, tried cold approaching, tried pua and game, tried lifting, tried looksmaxxing.
eventually it clicked and at this point i have basically nothing much left to learn.

feelsgoodman

 

[Barrister]

Not so much something I “don’t get” so much as even to this day their chaotic nature and lack of any type of logical reasoning when it comes to relationships can just make things exceedingly difficult for an LTR. I don’t have a lot of patience for it and catch myself reacting to silly things which obviously is what NOT to do. What you should do is always be aloof and not let it affect you. I struggle with that and catch myself trying to “logic” with them.

 

[SW15]

their chaotic nature and lack of any type of logical reasoning when it comes to relationships can just make things exceedingly difficult for an LTR.

The most experienced seducers often are challenged by this concept.

You bring up a good point by mentioning LTRs. When a man reaches his mid-30s and beyond, he often has a desire to pair bond with a woman. In order to do that, he needs to have some sort of LTR. The chaotic nature of women does make LTRs more difficult and thus men can often feel like something is missing if they can't sustain an LTR later in life. This is also compounded by most of a man's social connections already being in LTRs/marriages in their 30s/40s.

 

[itouchyou]

I'm no player but my deepest belief around women is that the most valuable thing a man can have is inner strength, and that's been affirmed many times over. It's the reason why women dump "amazing" men because deep down, those men are weak.

When I look at it from that angle, nothing about a woman is a mystery to me anymore.

They are hypergamous which means they are constantly evaluating for their best option. Their best option isn't the best looking, the most charismatic, or the highest status, or the most wealthy. The best option is the man that consistently proves to her that she is beneath him and that he can replace her in an instant.

A guy can have the highest status, money, and looks, but if he simps, if he makes her believe that he is beneath her, she will believe that she can do better, and it's over. This is 100% why you see broke "losers" with hot women.

 

[BaronOfHair]

...the most valuable thing a man can have is inner strength, and that's been affirmed many times over

And comes down to us through The Riddle Of Steel in Conan The Barbarian

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Barrister said:
their chaotic nature and lack of any type of logical reasoning when it comes to relationships can just make things exceedingly difficult for an LTR.


My life is pure chaos. And I love it.

 

[Oatmeal31]

Not so much something I “don’t get” so much as even to this day their chaotic nature and lack of any type of logical reasoning when it comes to relationships can just make things exceedingly difficult for an LTR. I don’t have a lot of patience for it and catch myself reacting to silly things which obviously is what NOT to do. What you should do is always be aloof and not let it affect you. I struggle with that and catch myself trying to “logic” with them.

Should we always be aloof? You catch yourself having a natural reaction to something "silly."

Do we have to throw our emotions in the trash for a woman? If a woman nags/disrespects me, or says something retarded enough times, I will either cut her out or respond with anything but aloofness. I feel that aiming to be completely aloof for the sake of appearing poised to a woman is disingenuous and a betrayal of self, unless that's who you really are. Give them a taste of their own medicine, man or woman

 

[Manure Spherian]

My life is pure chaos. And I love it.

If you don’t mind sharing, how so?

 

[Manure Spherian]

Search the shadow in women by Carl Jung, everything makes perfect sense.

I’m aware of it.

 

[zekko]

Then you might say "but what about game?" game does help as a generalization, but I found that a lot of women are put off by game, conservative and traditional countries specially seem to favor a more bluepilled kind of game where you are not supplicant nor "beta simp" but you still give romantic talks, tons of compliments and attention, contrary to what's preached around the manosphere, if game as we know it was 100% correct then "lovebombing" simply wouldn't be a thing.

I don't think it's "game" in the sense most guys think, with all the tricks and tactics. I think it's more who can form an emotional connection with the woman. Which is why you see average looking guys with attractive women.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Op, you need to stop trying to answer these questions upfront because you do not know what is really going on and you shouldn't care either. The only thing you should care about is what attractive women find attractive, not what other men think women find attractive or your mom. The majority of the battle is you being presentable and not fvcking it up by being awkward or pill bitter.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I wish I knew this in my 20s, that answers the question why women love Bad Boys.

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[Hamurabimbi]

Im gonna go on a limb here and answer that for you.

He's in an LTR, his woman desires him a lot, he does his thing and its not all the time with her. Typical woman, when she doesn't hear from him or he gives her distance, $hit test him, causing anxiety on her and she reacts neurotic. Because an anxious women is a woman in love.

Search the shadow in women by Carl Jung, everything makes perfect sense.

Fairly good analysis.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

If you don’t mind sharing, how so?

This is my work life. Very chaotic. I never am sure where I am going or what I’ll be doing.

Most of my jobs have been like that.
And. They’re risky.

I like that.
I do carry this to relationships to a degree as well.

I’m middle aged now, so the chaos & risk taking are less than before.

 

[Mike32ct]

Not a player, but I always wondered why women often put a strict expiration date on initial attraction. Men don’t usually do this.

Women: “He didn’t make a move on me by the second date. I’ll ghost or friendzone him permanently lol.”

Men: “I’d still bang my old crush from 15 years ago if we re-connected today, even though nothing ever happened between us lol.”