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Master Don Juan
It IS possible that Cordon and Mr. Me are both right in this situation.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
concordon had it right on. there is no doubt she is into me. we have had sex plenty of times so sex was not an issue for me. i knew we could have sex later on that nite. also i think mr. me brought up the ride issue. she had a ride, in fact she drove up there but you are right she wanted to get drunk then have me give her a ride home and have sex.cordoncordon said:Thats not what she said. She said..."I'm going over to xxx bar with some friends, I'll call you later on (and THEN we can hook up)". And guess what...she did call. From the sound of it a few times. She was out just having fun with her friends. She thought the OP was with his as well. Then end of night they meet up and bang. There was never any date. She was just playing it by ear. Good times. No drama.
Wow guys I'm just mystified. Some of you are so jaded by women that you refuse to ever see their side of things.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I often found that if there is a genuine interest from the girl, that if you pull back a bit and start acting disinterested after a bad behaviour (stop calling as often, stop hanging around her as often) she might begin to panic and she will associate the two together (disinterest as result of her behaviour) and thus will attempt to make it up to you by being nicer, while not pulling the same sh1t in the future.Romjuan said:so what course of action r u suggesting? that was my orignal question: what do u do when a girl does something u feel is disrepctful.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Mr. Me said:Let me point to a most excellent post by our brother, Jeffst1980.
In particular, where he makes this excellent observation and states a relevant truth:
"we are fully capable of AVOIDING being put in the value-compromising positions that many of the first time posters that frequent this site are placed... "
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=158090
If I had a dollar for everytime over the years I've heard a variation of this story. The story goes like this: "She asked me to hang out because she needs a ride home. So, me being the nice guy, I did. She danced with her friends, drank, I kinda just sat there and waited, nursing a drink. She basically ignored me. So, five hours later, at the end of the night, she asked me to drop off six of her girlfriends first, so I did. Then we got to her place, I dropped her off and she said she was really tired, so I went home."
Could've avoided the whole thing by closing Pandora's box when it opened a crack when she put in her request. But some guys invite this abuse upon themselves, willing to standby for hours just for a chance to get laid.
That's why it's called "Pus$y Power" I guess.
And who gives those women that "power"? The guy that says, "okay!" or the guy who says, "Nah, thanks, but no".
In the grand scheme of things, sure it wasn't a big deal, but at the same time I've said this exact thing to myself "just go with the flow" and it landed me the short end of the stick more times than not.cordoncordon said:What is the big deal? Let it go. You guys could never date girls in the 18-27 range, because they are ALL like this nowadays. Just go with the flow.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
if she asks "is something wrong ? y r u acting different?" do u address the problem and tell her what u didnt like? and u also said to not call as much and see her as much. does this imply u still see her and hang out with her?DJDamage said:I often found that if there is a genuine interest from the girl, that if you pull back a bit and start acting disinterested after a bad behaviour (stop calling as often, stop hanging around her as often) she might begin to panic and she will associate the two together (disinterest as result of her behaviour) and thus will attempt to make it up to you by being nicer, while not pulling the same sh1t in the future.
However if you pull back and she does nothing to attempt to bridge the gap then don't expect things to get better....
Agreed. Her behavior is not so much "disrspectful" as it is "manipulative".Mr. Me said:That's why it's called "Pus$y Power" I guess.
And who gives those women that "power"? The guy that says, "okay!" or the guy who says, "Nah, thanks, but no".
Exactly. Nothing of value ever comes from one of these "events" which are fueled by booze.persistent exaction said:If any of you DJs and your GF spend time drinking in bars and regularly let alcohol intrude on things, then bad things are destined to happen to this so called "relationship". Count on it.
That's the thing, you don't act differently in your behaviour. If you sulk or act mad you are coming from a position of weakness and you aren't in control of the situation.Romjuan said:if she asks "is something wrong ? y r u acting different?" do u address the problem and tell her what u didnt like?
Yes but only on your own terms. If she invites you to some bullsh1t nightclub with her friends again, make up some excuse that you are busy and you will get back to her.Romjuan said:and u also said to not call as much and see her as much. does this imply u still see her and hang out with her?
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.