"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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What do you do when a large girl or chubby girl like you??

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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FYI BOYS...

Your "fat scales" are COMPLETELY miscontrued and inaccurate...

* * * * *

HEIGHT-WEIGHT TABLE FOR WOMEN:

Height
(Feet Inches)
Small Frame Medium Frame LargeFrame
4' 10" 102-111 109-121 118-131
4' 11" 103-113 111-123 120-134
5' 0" 104-115 113-126 122-137
5' 1" 106-118 115-129 125-140
5' 2" 108-121 118-132 128-143
5' 3" 111-124 121-135 131-147
5' 4" 114-127 124-138 134-151
5' 5" 117-130 127-141 137-155
5' 6" 120-133 130-144 140-159
5' 7" 123-136 133-147 143-163
5' 8" 126-139 136-150 146-167
5' 9" 129-142 139-153 149-170
5' 10" 132-145 142-156 152-173
5' 11" 135-148 145-159 155-176
6' 0" 138-151 148-162 158-179

(source: http://www.informationcorner.com/recipehtwt.asp)

* * * * *

(Of course, You must also take into consideration a person's muscle ratio...)

Personally, I'm 5' 8" with a 30 inch waist and weigh 158!

But, ya know it probably doesn't help that I'm a lean looking jazz dancer, as well as a cardio, crunches, and 'light' weight lifting addict! I even take in 1200-1300 calories a day! Whoa! I should be freakin' fat! Right???

I've even written a ton of things demoralizing the US obesity problem...I just can't STAND this madness! :mad:

And according to various sources, the average size of a healthy, non-anorexic/food deprived woman is...ya ready... SIZE 13-14! And I'm a size 11-12!

And guess what?? Not a soul believes me when I tell them this! (Let alone how much I REALLY, TRULY weigh!)

Remember to always be aware that just because a potential girlfriend "LOOKS" thin...DON'T be surprised when she tells you what she really weighs...

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Oh BTW! Feel free and fearless to click the link above to find out the standards of what GUYS SHOULD weigh too...

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

Last FYI I promise...

There was a customer I talked with at my work who just had a baby, and although she looked to be about 5'6" with a medium frame, she told me she only weighed 130 lbs! WOW!

Only thing is...she had BELLY FAT...

Now, this of course very understandable considering what she went through, however, I weighed 20-30 lbs MORE than her and still had a tight looking body...

Gee-whiz...isn't determining someone's weight without seeing what they look like a B ITCH!
 
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That's it...the gloves are coming off...

I know there are cases where extreme weight is extreme weight but geez the way some of you guys are slamming overweight women is insane! I have never come to a forum this shallow in my entire life! No wonder a lot of you can't find a decent girl, you're too busy trying to look for some girl you can show off to your friends!

I swear too many of you people tend to think that just because you wouldn't want to screw a woman right on the spot she's a worthless piece of trash.

Some of y'all are acting as if all women are good for is to bang and have sex with and hold up as your trophy, and if you don't think they're good for THAT, they're good for nothing and not worth being alive. I'm not trying to sound like a femininazi or anything but this is just ridiculous.

We complain when WOMEN act shallow but WE'RE doing it OURSELVES. Hypocrisy in it's highest form, and I'm pretty apalled.

Some of you people act like how "hot" or thin a girl is determines how much of a person she is, and THAT in itself is ridiculous and shallow.

And to say that all women that are overweight are lazy, desperate, ugly, depressed, or have problems getting boyfriends is plain proposterous. Just because all YOU may have is your looks, doesn't make that apply to everyone else.

I can't tell ya how sick to death I am of hearing about how "great" HB's are. Boy, just because she's cute she's just GOT to be a catch! Give me a break! There are PLENTY of HB10's out there who are lazy, selfish, stupid, ignorant, and rude! Go take a look around, man, because most of them are!

You haven't even SEEN or even talked to every overweight woman on the planet, so there! There's ugly women in ALL shapes and sizes, not just overweight. Just like there's plenty of very attractive women who are somewhat overweight, just like there are plenty of attractive women who are somewhat underweight. You guys know this already, tho. Some of you just won't date one even if you DID find her attractive because you don't think your shallow-a$$ "DJ buddies" would approve of you dating her.

This forum....I've said this before....is really about 90% AFC's that try and ACT like studs, looking for a trophy wife to make them feel and LOOK like "DJ's" to gain the approval of their homeboys. Just because you can get a girl in bed doesn't make you a DJ, and once you do nail that hot chick, nobody will give a d amn, not even your buddies.

REAL DJ's would not be dissing a guy who's talking to a girl who would happen to be overweight. Because REAL DJ's know that being a DJ is about SELF life improvement. Dating the women that YOU want to date, not dating the women that you're friends would APPROVE of you dating.

Many of you on the forum are approval seeking blokes. Yes, I've said it....not ALL of you, but a lot of you are. More than there SHOULD be.

Something else, a lot you people place WAAAAAY too much importance on LOOKS. I know physical appearance is something that you should pay attention to, but the reason that most of YOU place so much importance on it is to seek and gain the approval of OTHER PEOPLE - mainly some dumb hottie who's all looks and nothing else, and of course you just automatically think she's perfect for you because YOUR all "game" and nothing else.

I've said this a hundred time already.....BEING A DON JUAN IS NOT ABOUT GAINING THE APPROVAL OF WOMEN, YOUR GUY FRIENDS, OR OTHER "DJ'S", IT'S ABOUT GAINING THE APPROVAL OF *YOU*.

knight65: Talk to or date whoever the hell you want, it's YOUR reality, and if she's beautiful to YOU will make YOU happy, that's all that matters. F*ck your "friends", because if they were really your friends, they would encourage you, not try and control who it is you should be dating (REAL DJ's would encourage you too, but there aren't very many of those on this forum).

As far as looks go: Work on your appearance until YOU see that it is good. Don't do anything for anybody but YOU. Don't change your appearance to please anybody but YOU. THAT's the reason why I think this forum places too much importance on looks - because they're always seeking each other's approval on the issue - whether it be a girl's looks or their OWN looks.

Improve your social life until YOU are happy with it. Date the women that will make YOU happy, don't worry about what other people think or say about you.

In this post I wasn't talking EVERYONE. If you're pissed....you're probably one of those who I'm talking to, however.

I'm done ranting for the day...
 

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Craig Reeves, good post.

But you have to take this into factor:

Everyone is judged by the company they keep.

It's the 'rule of association' i will stick out if i hang out with an anime geek fanboy group. but i will not stick out if i were to hang in the average people hangout or techno head hangout or metal head hangout (i like metal and techno.) most of my friends are average size - most likely i will not have friends who are very large or very thin and more than likely my friends will share the same physical size requirements of others wanting to be their friend too.

me? i like girls from thin, average, and extra pounds - and obviously the athletic girl that most guys like.

some guys only like average/extra pound girls tend guys tend to be more casual. while guys that like thin/athletic girls tend to be more metrosexual, materialistic.
 

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I don't think anyone here made a generalization about someone's personality based on their appearance. The credo is that fat girls are not physically attractive, among other things, and they are not worth having sex with. Good looking girls are worth having sex with. There have been no statements saying that good looking people have good personalities. Get your facts straight.

Additionally, Mr. Reeves, obesity is a disease that is curable by simple diet and exercise. However, the biggest factor that prevents this is laziness. Overweight people, especially in the USA, are VERY LAZY and EAT TOO MUCH. Amoebas are not attractive. Sloth isn't attractive. This goes for girls AND guys. Sexually gratifying and validating overweight people is propagating the problem. Get your facts straight.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Everyone is judged by the company they keep.

It's the 'rule of association' i will stick out if i hang out with an anime geek fanboy group.
That's a valid point, but I do not care about people who will judge me and sum me up SOLELY off of how good looking the people I hang out are.

When people are judged by the company they keep, it's usually a little more involved than just what they look like.
 

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im a fit person, no way im going to buf a fattay.

there is no excuse for not being in shape unless you have a genetic predisposition to being obsese. Which if i had to guess was not 66% of america.

if i have the time to stay in shape i expect my girl to do the same.

have some bloody self respect

edit: holy **** 250 lbs. thats a lot brother, but hey if you like them that way whats the problem?

you shouldn't care what other people think about you, you should what you like to do for yourself
 

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Originally posted by diablo
I'm 193 lbs, and I would never in a million years consider a girl that's TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY POUNDS. Even if it were left to me and this 250 lb montrosity to repopulate the planet, I would sooner marry my right hand...

That's equal to THREE girls size that I'm used to sleeping with. Good GOD man!

However, if you're attracted to a cow... woman... nearly twice your weight, and that really is beautiful to you, and you don't think that you could ever do any better, then by all means take advantage of the situation... best of luck.
You mean you sleep with 83 lbs girls? It's one thing to slam fat porkers, it's another to hit up 11 year olds, man :D
 

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Originally posted by naoi deag se deag
You mean you sleep with 83 lbs girls? It's one thing to slam fat porkers, it's another to hit up 11 year olds, man :D
lol. quoted for the truth
 

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Originally posted by Craig Reeves
That's it...the gloves are coming off...

I know there are cases where extreme weight is extreme weight but geez the way some of you guys are slamming overweight women is insane! I have never come to a forum this shallow in my entire life! No wonder a lot of you can't find a decent girl, you're too busy trying to look for some girl you can show off to your friends!

I swear too many of you people tend to think that just because you wouldn't want to screw a woman right on the spot she's a worthless piece of trash.

Some of y'all are acting as if all women are good for is to bang and have sex with and hold up as your trophy, and if you don't think they're good for THAT, they're good for nothing and not worth being alive. I'm not trying to sound like a femininazi or anything but this is just ridiculous.

We complain when WOMEN act shallow but WE'RE doing it OURSELVES. Hypocrisy in it's highest form, and I'm pretty apalled.

Some of you people act like how "hot" or thin a girl is determines how much of a person she is, and THAT in itself is ridiculous and shallow.

And to say that all women that are overweight are lazy, desperate, ugly, depressed, or have problems getting boyfriends is plain proposterous. Just because all YOU may have is your looks, doesn't make that apply to everyone else.

I can't tell ya how sick to death I am of hearing about how "great" HB's are. Boy, just because she's cute she's just GOT to be a catch! Give me a break! There are PLENTY of HB10's out there who are lazy, selfish, stupid, ignorant, and rude! Go take a look around, man, because most of them are!

You haven't even SEEN or even talked to every overweight woman on the planet, so there! There's ugly women in ALL shapes and sizes, not just overweight. Just like there's plenty of very attractive women who are somewhat overweight, just like there are plenty of attractive women who are somewhat underweight. You guys know this already, tho. Some of you just won't date one even if you DID find her attractive because you don't think your shallow-a$$ "DJ buddies" would approve of you dating her.

This forum....I've said this before....is really about 90% AFC's that try and ACT like studs, looking for a trophy wife to make them feel and LOOK like "DJ's" to gain the approval of their homeboys. Just because you can get a girl in bed doesn't make you a DJ, and once you do nail that hot chick, nobody will give a d amn, not even your buddies.

REAL DJ's would not be dissing a guy who's talking to a girl who would happen to be overweight. Because REAL DJ's know that being a DJ is about SELF life improvement. Dating the women that YOU want to date, not dating the women that you're friends would APPROVE of you dating.

Many of you on the forum are approval seeking blokes. Yes, I've said it....not ALL of you, but a lot of you are. More than there SHOULD be.

Something else, a lot you people place WAAAAAY too much importance on LOOKS. I know physical appearance is something that you should pay attention to, but the reason that most of YOU place so much importance on it is to seek and gain the approval of OTHER PEOPLE - mainly some dumb hottie who's all looks and nothing else, and of course you just automatically think she's perfect for you because YOUR all "game" and nothing else.

I've said this a hundred time already.....BEING A DON JUAN IS NOT ABOUT GAINING THE APPROVAL OF WOMEN, YOUR GUY FRIENDS, OR OTHER "DJ'S", IT'S ABOUT GAINING THE APPROVAL OF *YOU*.

knight65: Talk to or date whoever the hell you want, it's YOUR reality, and if she's beautiful to YOU will make YOU happy, that's all that matters. F*ck your "friends", because if they were really your friends, they would encourage you, not try and control who it is you should be dating (REAL DJ's would encourage you too, but there aren't very many of those on this forum).

As far as looks go: Work on your appearance until YOU see that it is good. Don't do anything for anybody but YOU. Don't change your appearance to please anybody but YOU. THAT's the reason why I think this forum places too much importance on looks - because they're always seeking each other's approval on the issue - whether it be a girl's looks or their OWN looks.

Improve your social life until YOU are happy with it. Date the women that will make YOU happy, don't worry about what other people think or say about you.

In this post I wasn't talking EVERYONE. If you're pissed....you're probably one of those who I'm talking to, however.

I'm done ranting for the day...

Am I hallucinating, or am I actually seeing someone that gets it (in this decaying forum of all places!)?
Good stuff, Craig Reeves.


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“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Sorry, but I was under the assumption that the purpose of this forum was helping you learn how to pick up attractive women; whether this is for a night's pleasure, a week-long fling, or a LTR is based solely on yourself. Sure, it's shallow... it is the science of seduction, after all - perhaps a "deeper" forum might be found here:

http://www.singlechristian.net/forums/

The DJB teaches you how to gain confidence, how to go from a needy, sniveling wreck into a man who knows what he wants - and more importantly, how to get it. Now, everyone knows that it's not accurate at all to let a person's character or "who they are" be determined solely by their body size or weight. However, these are key factors in initial attraction. How many times have you gone into a bar, seen a mightily obese woman sitting in the corner and thought to yourself "Wow, I bet she's got a great personality... I think I'll go hit on her". How does "never" sound?

Face it - attraction is about looks, and personality. It's a proven fact that for men, physical attributes such as beauty, body shape, and other features have far more significance put on them than by their female counterparts. Whereas a man can "overcome" un-handsome features or other physical shortfallings by an abundance of confidence and personality, it's not often that you'll find a woman can do the same.

Of course, not all women who are overweight are "lazy, desperate, ugly, depressed, or have problems getting boyfriends". Those people who makes absolute statements by using such words as "all" or "every" should re-think what they are saying, or rather how they are saying it. However, many overweight/obese women can overcome their obesity by a proper diet, exercise, and healthy lifestyle. If they choose not to, then it would be a safe assumption that they are indeed lazy. All obese women are not ugly; there is a pop-culture acronym by the title of "BBW". This stands for "Big Beautiful Woman". By definition, no ugly woman can fall into this "Big Beautiful Woman" category. Instead, we'll call them BUW's, or "Big Ugly Women" (a spin on the BBW acronym).

Now, on to depression. To say that there is no Obesity-Depression link is absurd. Psychologists even today are actively studying this connection, and it is one of the major issues thats overweight Americans face. The statement made by another poster is based on decades-stale research which assumed that "any relationship of depression to obesity in the general population was largely coincidental. Research in the recent past, however, has uncovered a large number of moderating and mediating variables that relate depression and obesity. Depression influences obesity under some circumstances and obesity influences depression under others."1

As to whether an overweight woman is desperate, that can only be determined on a case-by-case basis; there is no accurate way for anyone to make a generalization stating that simply because a female has the shape of a cow that she won't become needy and seek out others approval and attention.

Obviously overweight women have a more difficult time on average than their HB counter-parts in acquiring a boyfriend. It is not impossible, however, as knight is illustrating in this thread, and as my ex-roommate from my former dormitory evidenced so well throughout a year's study. There are those in society who actively seek out overweight women for the sole purpose of engaging in relationships with them. To say that obese women have no problems gaining a romantic relationship with a male is incongruous and patently false. Everyone has a degree of difficulty in finding a mate, it's just that the degree in this scenario is far more than if she were of a normal, average build instead of having the body size of a Sherman tank.

I don't think that the issue at hand here is whether there are many HB10's who are "lazy, selfish, stupid, ignorant, and rude". If this were being debated, there would be no contest. Tons of HB10's fit into these categories... just as do HB9's, HB8's, BBW's and even BUW's.

Regarding DJ's knowing that "being a DJ is about SELF life improvement", I'd have to respectfully disagree. While a happy side-effect of becoming a DJ is improving oneself, the actual definition of a "Don Juan" is:
  • A man who is an obsessive seducer of women.2
  • Any successful womanizer (after the legendary profligate Spanish nobleman)3
Many bookstores and libraries have entire sections devoted to nothing but "self-help" and "self-improvement". While a well rounded DJ is a true renaissance man, the main focus of seduction is just that: seduction. It's not to learn how to build better bird houses, nor is it additional knowledge on how to run the mile faster.

In summation, if knight wishes to date a "Big Beautiful Woman" (BBW), or even a "Big Ugly Woman" (BUW), then he should by all means do so. This life is nothing without the experiences we have going through it. Try new things! Go bungee jumping! Date a 250 lb female! After all, that's less competition for the rest of us.


Sources:
1. http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p041081.html
2. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=don juan
3. http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/Don+Juan
 

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btw Craig, looks matter a helluva lot. If you want to respect them go ahead. I respect them. I didn't say they were dirt. I just wouldn't fvck them. Would you? Great! More HBs for me. Face it man, you leave out the b1tchy fat girls who hate all hot people because they don't have enough self-discipline to change. I used to a fat as a mothafvckerwannabe, but now I'm hella hot dude. See I know how it feels but I changed. Why? because I knew there are like 2 people like you in the world who give a damn and look past the surface. Because I know looks matter and your job kinda depends on your looks too. They are more likely to hire a pleasant good looking guy than a pleasant fat guy. Face it man.

Denial ain't justt a river in egypt.

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I have when under the influence. I did date an overweight chick for a few months in my early 20's but I dropped her because she was getting needy and I couldn't make myself attracted to her physically. She was great in every other aspect but the weight was too much, I just couldn't deal with it.

When I'm drunk, I've made the mistake of hitting on big girls or going with it when they hit on me but usually I'm able to catch myself before anything happens fortunately. When I have the beer goggles on, I lose my head.

Considering the fact that I tried to date a big girl once, I don't want to go back there basically for the physical attraction and sexual chemistry aspect. There's nothing hot about belly fat, it's enough to make a di#k go limp in a hearbeat.
 

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AFK.....

AFK,

Hey,

I can't handle anything over 215 pounds.....

I have my standards........


cave dweller
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I ran into one thick girl who happened to show a lot of skin when I first met her and had a really attractive sexual personality... She had her chance... Then there was some girl who came onto me online... pretending to be her sister... she just wasn't very attractive... over 200 lbs...
 

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Re: AFK.....

Originally posted by cave dweller
AFK,

Hey,

I can't handle anything over 215 pounds.....

I have my standards........


cave dweller
haha I'm jokin man. I know youcan't breathe when they're that fat dude. I don't wanna lose a member like that you know.
 

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Back in my nice guy/AFC days, I made friends with an obese girl. her size didnt matter because I wasnt judging her. After a while of speaking to her on the phone. she calls me up & tells me that shes in love with me :eek:, I was caught offguard & in my moment of panic I told her that I wasnt good enough for her :eek:.

She'd still call me up & tell about the(imaginary) guys who were after her I finally threw her offtrack when I told her I liked some babe, she couldnt handle that & stopped calling :rolleyes: .

Im still ok with being friends with fat girls, just goes to show that by treating them like regular people is enough to make them fall for you.

Such is the way of the womans :cool:

- Knight chase after whoever you'd like, its your life youre living.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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