"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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What can a woman OFFER besides sex?

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1. I haven't had a single good intelligent conversation with a woman about a serious topic. Their thinking is more like thinking based on feelings than anything else.
2. You CANNOT try to get confidence, support, or any kind of energy from a woman. If you do - they will think you are weak. You have to confident one, the leading one, the one who gives support. If I come home tired and feeling down and will want to cuddle up to a woman to just have someone there for me - they would HATE that!!!
3. Men understand men better. Men barely understand women.


If you are a DJ, then a woman = vagina. In fact woman = disposable vaginal content.


This is NOT some hating thing! I respect and love all women in a sexual way, but its just there nothing else they can offer.



P.S. I cook, clean, and do other traditional womanly things better than any woman I have seen...
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Babnik said:
If you are a DJ, then a woman = vagina. In fact woman = disposable vaginal content.
That's not true. That's the shallow perspective of players and jerks. DJs are neither players nor jerks.
 

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Demon said:
That's not true. That's the shallow perspective of players and jerks. DJs are neither players nor jerks.
Well, read what I said....if you need ANYTHING besides sex from a woman - she will perceive you a weak!
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It seems like a lot of women cant discuss anything about politics, economy...history..but, they know what type of purse Paris Hilton just bought & who Kid Rock is bangin..they are generally clueless on current world events....
 

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support, love, affection, cooking, cleaning, baking, ironing, etc.

u are lucky to get one of the above from a typical american girl. hence the reason you already do female work. no man should have to clean, bake, cook, iron, etc. let your mother do it until you get married.
 

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sparky0000 said:
support, love, affection, cooking, cleaning, baking, ironing, etc.

u are lucky to get one of the above from a typical american girl. hence the reason you already do female work. no man should have to clean, bake, cook, iron, etc. let your mother do it until you get married.
Thats an awful thing, man. You need to KNOW how to do those things, but primarily my mom does those kind of things.

It also has NOTHING to do with being a man. Hell, they teach you this kind of discipline in the ARMY!!!

But support is not given by women. Its given by men to women. Which leaves love and thus sex as the only use for them.

All you who called me stupid - back up your statement!
 

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Babnik said:
1. I haven't had a single good intelligent conversation with a woman about a serious topic. Their thinking is more like thinking based on feelings than anything else.
2. You CANNOT try to get confidence, support, or any kind of energy from a woman. If you do - they will think you are weak. You have to confident one, the leading one, the one who gives support. If I come home tired and feeling down and will want to cuddle up to a woman to just have someone there for me - they would HATE that!!!
3. Men understand men better. Men barely understand women.


If you are a DJ, then a woman = vagina. In fact woman = disposable vaginal content.


This is NOT some hating thing! I respect and love all women in a sexual way, but its just there nothing else they can offer.



P.S. I cook, clean, and do other traditional womanly things better than any woman I have seen...
Stop reposting bullshvt that's been around the DJ boards for the last four years, and still isn't anymore true than it was back then.
 

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Babnik said:
I respect and love all women in a sexual way, but its just there nothing else they can offer.

If thats what you truely believe then you are destined to a VERY, VERY lonely life.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Monkey said:
If thats what you truely believe then you are destined to a VERY, VERY lonely life.
No, I have friends. And thats another thing...you can't be just friends with girls you like. They don't like FRIEND behavior. They like F*CK ME behavior and any friend behavior is considered vaginal to them. Listen to yourself.
Girls do not want to bee seeing you more than 2-3 times a week and they prefer to have friends who make them feel NOT lonlely and YOU are there for sex.
 

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Well we know you're not getting STD's bro, which is actually a good thing.
 

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Many of my female friends can hold a great conversation, hell some of 'em are actually quite funny. Don't take such a narrow view on the world and women in general.

Maybe my sample is distorted due to being an uni, but even so, I know that there are some great ladies out there, who are more than capable of having an intelligent conversation on a variety of subjects -- from politics to sport. Women may often like to talk about different things, but that doesn't make them stupid by any means.

You my friend have bought way too far into the long-exaggerated mantras of the pickup artists' ideal and you're feeling frustrated with women, which is understandable. I think you've been unlucky, and I feel for you, however your attitude is just way off the mark.

I guess what I'm saying is this. Don't generalise too much.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Babnik said:
No, I have friends. And thats another thing...you can't be just friends with girls you like. They don't like FRIEND behavior. They like F*CK ME behavior and any friend behavior is considered vaginal to them. Listen to yourself.
Girls do not want to bee seeing you more than 2-3 times a week and they prefer to have friends who make them feel NOT lonlely and YOU are there for sex.
No, I'm afraid I agree with monkey. This thread is moronic man, just give it up.
 

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many believe, a womans feminine , I guess , passivity beauty and feminity balances out the aggressive , dominant aspects of us Males . They are the "anti-man" in the more physcology aspects of speaking.
 

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Come on man... be real about this... there are lots of things that chicks can offer

You're misunderstanding some of the DJ concepts really... it's not about being a loner, it's about being independent and not NEEDING a chick... you can enjoy yourself without a chick, but being with a cool chick is great too and not only because of the pvssy...
 

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Babnik said:
1. I haven't had a single good intelligent conversation with a woman about a serious topic. Their thinking is more like thinking based on feelings than anything else.
2. You CANNOT try to get confidence, support, or any kind of energy from a woman. If you do - they will think you are weak. You have to confident one, the leading one, the one who gives support. If I come home tired and feeling down and will want to cuddle up to a woman to just have someone there for me - they would HATE that!!!
3. Men understand men better. Men barely understand women.
You need to meet more women.

I've had plenty of intelligent conversations with women, and at times I've lost track of time and spent 7 or more hours chatting over coffees or drinks. Not to say all women are capable of that, but men like that have been harder to find in my experience.



If you are a DJ, then a woman = vagina. In fact woman = disposable vaginal content.
Very wrong. A DJ is charismatic and the foundation of charisma is being able to see and bring out the best in people, encourage them and make them feel good about being with you.

A DJ is sociable, enjoys company and appreciates people, and in turn he attracts people to him like a magnet. A big part of being a DJ is having a positive and amiable attitude. A person who is only out for what he/she can get are just users and not very likeable people. Unfortunately the seduction community tries to brainwash guys into thinking it's men vs. women, you must be selfish and step on other people to be successful, do unto others before they do unto you etc etc That's not a healthy attitude to have at all.

So many guys who come to the seduction community to improve their social skills and interaction with women end up being told not to waste their time, and how women aren't worth the effort etc. All they learn is how to transform their failures and frustrations into anger and blame.

Don't fall into that trap. A lot of women are cool and can be great to talk to. It's a great feeling waking upto a woman you have feelings for, going on holidays together, sharing experiences, play fighting and joking around etc. There are a lot of fun experiences you can have with women aside from sex.

It's no wonder there are so many angry and bitter guys with bad attitudes.
 

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If this girl or girls arent what you want you can always leave.

I dont know how you feel about relationships and that kind of stuff. It does seem that you outta look for someone that can relate to you. Its like your sick of just chicks you cant hold somewhat of a bond with.

I know Id like to meet someone like that...but it doesnt have to be soon. I dont need to meet these girls right now. Girls like that dont always make it to you right away. Luck...may have some play into it. Sometimes it doesnt matter how many girls you meet. Its where I am with my life.

If you dont wanna wait for that kind of girl you dont have to either. Going through girls is kind of the process of finding someone for a relationship. Bangin chicks may be the way to go too until you find a chick that you can respect. Youre gonna have to figure out what you want to do next.

Babnik said:
1. I haven't had a single good intelligent conversation with a woman about a serious topic. Their thinking is more like thinking based on feelings than anything else.
2. You CANNOT try to get confidence, support, or any kind of energy from a woman. If you do - they will think you are weak. You have to confident one, the leading one, the one who gives support. If I come home tired and feeling down and will want to cuddle up to a woman to just have someone there for me - they would HATE that!!!
3. Men understand men better. Men barely understand women.


If you are a DJ, then a woman = vagina. In fact woman = disposable vaginal content.


This is NOT some hating thing! I respect and love all women in a sexual way, but its just there nothing else they can offer.



P.S. I cook, clean, and do other traditional womanly things better than any woman I have seen...
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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