“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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We need to have an intervention about Theory

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I think the advice on Sosuave should be reserved for men who are trying to get married and have children with good looking women under 30 who have never married and have 0 kids.

IF a man is married, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man has kids, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with a woman over 30, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with an ugly women, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with an overweight woman, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with a single mother, he doesn't need Sosuave.

How come men know what to do when a 42 year old single mother of 2 teenage boys gives mixed signals or doesn't call them or doesn't put out. They know what to do. No questions on how to talk or act or dress with her.

Yet when a 24 year old hot, never married, no kids woman gives mixed signals or doesn't call them or doesn't put out, some confusion sets in.

I have a friend who is an older woman. She looks good her age but is older. She texted me today "Happy bday! Let me know when I can take you for lunch for your bday." I texted her back today "lets do it in October"

I have a personal trainer, 29 years old, and hot, like movie star looks. IF she texted me today "Happy bday! Let me know when I can take you for lunch for your bday." I would have texted back "tomorrow and I'll pick you up and I'll pay."

The woman's youth, innocence and hotness depends on how a man responds to her.
 

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I think the advice on Sosuave should be reserved for men who are trying to get married and have children with good looking women under 30 who have never married and have 0 kids.

IF a man is married, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man has kids, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with a woman over 30, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with an ugly women, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with an overweight woman, he doesn't need Sosuave
If a man wants to get with a single mother, he doesn't need Sosuave.

How come men know what to do when a 42 year old single mother of 2 teenage boys gives mixed signals or doesn't call them or doesn't put out. They know what to do. No questions on how to talk or act or dress with her.

Yet when a 24 year old hot, never married, no kids woman gives mixed signals or doesn't call them or doesn't put out, some confusion sets in.

I have a friend who is an older woman. She looks good her age but is older. She texted me today "Happy bday! Let me know when I can take you for lunch for your bday." I texted her back today "lets do it in October"

I have a personal trainer, 29 years old, and hot, like movie star looks. IF she texted me today "Happy bday! Let me know when I can take you for lunch for your bday." I would have texted back "tomorrow and I'll pick you up and I'll pay."

The woman's youth, innocence and hotness depends on how a man responds to her.
Back to policing, eh?
 

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Back to policing, eh?
Nah I’m more of the “if a man needs help on what to do with an older single mother, he’s got real big problems”
 
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Now here’s where I fvcked up- I spent the entire uber ride and text messaging representing myself as some romantic hero guy aka Jack Dawson form Titanic level of charm
You behaved like a squishy metrosexual who 's appeal doesn't extend very far beyond teeny boppers, and were surprised that an actual woman found you less appealing than most actual men find case studies in ratchetness like Sexy Red?

Next, we'll be hearing that throwing Bosnia-Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia, and Slovenia together then calling it Yugoslavia, yielded a bloodbath more garish than even Lexie here's TOM
 

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This site has been populated with theorists for a long time, it is what it is. Users just have to be smart about what advice they take. Back in the early 2000s it was more straightforward, probably because there were no SM-style likes and follows, just posts. Also around late 2000s the evo-psycho nerd blogerati began their dominance which launched a million little theories.

I've had sex with countless women beyond my wildest teenage fantasies and yet I've broken every DJ/RP "rule" in the book. Not all the time but at the end of the day I'm point guard of my life and the one reading the floor in the moment. Advice and data are great but I just went out and tried, failed, and succeeded. That's the only secret sauce there really is.
 

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Also around late 2000s the evo-psycho nerd blogerati began their dominance which launched a million little theories.
There were plenty of theorists before the late 2000s. However, I think blogs and social media increased the number of theorists.

If a man wants to get with a woman over 30, he doesn't need Sosuave
There are plenty of forum threads about men pursuing childless women 30+ on SoSuave.

There are even threads of men pursuing 30+ single moms on SoSuave.

Jeff finds a coworker attractive and decides to ask her out on a date to Chili's. They go, have a great time, and eventually start dating...simple as that. But then come the "theory police" with all their rules: Jeff can’t take her to Chili's because it’s not impressive enough, he can only see her on specific days to show his value, and he shouldn’t confirm the date because it’s considered weak. Plus, what if she goes to someone else’s house after the date, or reports him to HR? The overthinking is endless! All Jeff really needs to do is set a time and place, be confident, and be likeable. It’s straightforward, she’ll either like him or she won’t!
Jeff can do this. This is problematic for many reasons. It is possible that this can lead to a somewhat successful interaction of a dating relationship lasting 6+ months and not result in significant workplace issues.

It is a best practice to not date co-workers. This best practice is most applicable for white collar office workers. If Jeff and his female co-worker are not white collar, then this is less of an issue. This detail was not included with this premise.

It is a best practice to not have a first date as a dinner date in a restaurant. The seduction community has discussed this concept since at the least the 2000s, if not longer. I first heard about this in the early 2010s. In the 2020s, plenty of men are still going on first dates that are dinner dates in restaurants. Men who use swipe apps are still offering dinner dates to women they've only interacted with via in-app messaging or text messaging. These men are not the types of men who tend to participate in SoSuave forums.

Chain, sit down restaurants like Chili's are often perceived negatively as first date spots. In the YouTube Short below, Brett Cooper reacted to some woman's list of 28 places where she will not go on a first date. Many chain, sit down restaurants are on that list. While this is an extreme example, many women perceive chain, sit down restaurants negatively as first date options. This is a common attitude amongst bougie White women in the USA. In the USA, bougie White women aren't the only women to have this attitude.


There are men who have used chain restaurant first dates and had second dates and extended relationships after using a chain restaurant first date. While it is not advisable, it can happen. The degree of difficulty is greater in this situation as it doesn't follow best practices.

I think the men who schedule first dates as dinner dates tend to avoid chain restaurants. These men tend to select local, non-chain restaurants. It's also not considered a best practice to have dinner dates in non-chain restaurants either.

This is an issue for younger daters. Daters under age 21 can't go to bars for drinks dates. It is common for daters under 21 to do restaurant dates. When I was under 21, this didn't seem to be as much of an issue. However, I think the best dates (first dates or otherwise) for those under 21 are activity dates.

Even after turning 21, I went on some dinner dates as first dates as I mentioned in this 2022 post below.

 

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@Divorced w 3 and @Clockwerk50 :

I like both of you guys and appreciate your contributions, but one of you needs to be the bigger man and bow out to stop this back and forth nonsense. Or take it to private messages if you think its necessary. Thanks.
Call me old-fashioned. I just thought that guys posting about how guys should be getting ass should be getting ass themselves and able to prove it.
 

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The branches of the American military have a concept called a challenge coin at any point in the bar if you say you’re with a unit and you can’t pull out a coin showing that you’re with that unit you have to buy drinks consequently, I think that anyone here giving advice should be able to prove in someway through a picture with a date on it or a text message or some other manner that they are in fact getting ass. Otherwise continue posting, but be asking questions not giving advice.
 

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There are too many sexually unattractive men spreading nonsense, and it's gotten out of hand.

New Rule: You shouldn’t be allowed to discuss theories or "Alpha male" nonsense unless you’ve confidently reached a point where you never go longer than a month without sex unless by choice. Otherwise, you’re not sexually attractive to women and should focus on more productive pursuits. In a relationship or hopping from one partner to another? Fine, but if you broke up with your partner right now, you should feel confident in finding someone new within a month.
If that's the case 80% of the forum would disappear you have to remember there are a lot of "silent members" who don't post and read the forum because they are noobs(nothing wrong with that). The main issue is when you have guys who have limited experience that post the most and guys who have experince tend to post less and less.

The game actually is supposed to get easier as you get older or have more experience. It's like working out, when you first start, you may be sore you may not even lift properly cause you're form is off, however if you're consistent, hitting the gym 3-5 days a week. You should have a far better shape then when you first started because of your consistiency and knowledge that you aquire about excerise and diet etc.. IMO the same is true with seduction. If you're actively talking to women, pursuing women, trying to date women etc. Eventually you should become better especially if you're also working on other things to help your dating/mating prospects.

For me I'm more impressed with a guy who is in an LTR or married. I know this may seem like a contradiction to most on a seduction forum but IMO if you've been on the forum for 5+ years and still struggling to get sex or talk to women. You are either not taken action, or have to work on things that hinder you. There are some members who actually have regressed and their issue isn't women at all but they need some deep psychological help. Most guys who do take action will improve and over the years we have known this to be true cause members end up in LTR's will come back once it ends or they will end up married etc.

The main Issue I have with modern RP advice or Pua advice is it focuses to much on female nature and not applicable steps to help you improve beyond looks money and status. The metaphysical aspect of game(or Social Mastery as I like to call it) is seldom talked about anymore and has been watered down so much that if you talk about it, people think that you're speaking mumbo jumbo, it's all about superficiality, hence when you watch these RP dorks they all sound the same(Looks money and status) when you do bring up Social Mastery concepts nowadays most men have no clue and this is why a lot of men struggle with women even men who have the "Looks money and status"

Women aren't logical yet you have guys who think L+M+S= Success with women, meanwhile you have a bum who has none of this but he may understand the metaphysical aspects of women and seduction. It's like a great salesman who isn't even selling you per se but having a natural conversation that leads to a sale!

What do I mean by metaphysical(Or Social Mastery)?

Energy matching-For example, you're an introvert on a date with an extrovert woman who may be a party girl. Talking about Nitchze and Freud is probably going to make the coochie dry. Are you able to be centered and put a woman at ease, are you able to control your breath and inner calm. Are you able to have her energy match yours? This is something even advanced guys sometimes struggle with.

Eliciting emotions-Are you able to convey your passions, hobbies, dreams in a manner that shows who you are without performing for others, are you able to make her FEEL this is something other than boredom? This is something that "Bad boys" are able to do without thinking, most men are just not that interesting to women on an emotional level, hence you have women now using words like emotional intelligence(that word wasn't as popular 10 years ago). Most guys only get excited if they know they are about to have sex or are having sex. The law of emotional contagion is a real thing, there are men who have never had to study it and they know how to do it effortlessly

Frame control-are you able to set the tone and reality frame, guys like Snowplowman who used to post here use to talk a lot about this. Even if you're smiling and pretending to be confident if subconsciously you're needy and outcome dependent women will pick up on this. Remember 80% of communication is non-verbal.

Conversational alchemy-Can you take a woman who is stressed out on a date, and have her laughing until snot comes out of her nose? Being able to "spit" game isn't about lines or punchlines. It's the ability to convey your thoughts, emotions that resonate with a woman. One thing that helped me with this is when I use to be a salesmen selling pharmaceutical products over the phone. I didn't have body language to go off. Just my voice. Are you a great storyteller? Are you able to tell a story without draggin it on? Do you have stories that make you interesting

The power of presence- Can you be fully present in an interaction, and utlize frame control that will also make a woman present to the point that she is mirroring you? To the point she is not checking her phone when she is with you. Are you immersed in the moment? Or are you stuck in your head, thinking to yourself what you need to do next etc

There are many more things. Stuff like that we use to talk about on here but over time the guys who understood these things or talked about these things left the forum and the new generation doesn't know about these things much and hence are left with "watered down" game.

Then you're left with LMS, meanwhile, when you ask guys about the metaphysical, they have no clue because they haven't mastered it or don't understand it.
 
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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If that's the case 80% of the forum would disappear
great post but pointing out one thing: what you notated is literally a mathematical concept known as the Pareto principle. 80% of the work is done by 20% of the organization. That’s no different here. That is entirely fine, but the folks not hooking up simply shouldn’t be giving advice, they should be asking for it. Arms open and the best intentions for those who can humble themselves and ask for help.

this is like the third thread in 4 weeks on the topic of unsubstantiated advice giving. It’s clearly hitting a point around here.
 

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Call me old-fashioned. I just thought that guys posting about how guys should be getting ass should be getting ass themselves and able to prove it.
So you’re dismissing regulation as meaningless and untrustworthy while demanding your own version of it. What’s the actual point about regulation, since your position is clearly inconsistent?
 

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great post but pointing out one thing: what you notated is literally a mathematical concept known as the Pareto principle. 80% of the work is done by 20% of the organization. That’s no different here. That is entirely fine, but the folks not hooking up simply shouldn’t be giving advice, they should be asking for it. Arms open and the best intentions for those who can humble themselves and ask for help.

this is like the third thread in 4 weeks on the topic of unsubstantiated advice giving. It’s clearly hitting a point around here.
I totally agree with you and maybe I should have stated 80% of the forum would not be qualified. The issue with RP is that most guys giving advice are not qualified. This includes some of the popular RP gurus you see on youtube etc. You got guys giving advice that don't practice what they preach, guys giving advice that have never been in a healthy relationship, not getting sex from the women they want or getting regular sex period etc.

It's the blind leading the blind. For me, sex is a low bar, not saying sex isn't fun or I don't like sex, but once you can get sex consistently and want more from a woman, that's when the real game begins.

So I agree with you guys who are still stuck on not getting dates (much less sex) need to take notes.
 

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There are too many sexually unattractive men spreading nonsense, and it's gotten out of hand.

New Rule: You shouldn’t be allowed to discuss theories or "Alpha male" nonsense unless you’ve confidently reached a point where you never go longer than a month without sex unless by choice. Otherwise, you’re not sexually attractive to women and should focus on more productive pursuits. In a relationship or hopping from one partner to another? Fine, but if you broke up with your partner right now, you should feel confident in finding someone new within a month.

Now, why has theory gotten bad

1) Focuses too much on the male gaze rather than the female gaze - If you actually interacted with women, you would realize that the ideal man celebrated by the manosphere does not align with the female gaze. I have NEVER heard a girl say she has a crush on Fitxfearless, Andrew Tate, Austin Dunham, Rollo Tomasi, Myron Gaines, etc.

2). It brainwashes men to not take action- Jeff finds a coworker attractive and decides to ask her out on a date to Chili's. They go, have a great time, and eventually start dating...simple as that. But then come the "theory police" with all their rules: Jeff can’t take her to Chili's because it’s not impressive enough, he can only see her on specific days to show his value, and he shouldn’t confirm the date because it’s considered weak. Plus, what if she goes to someone else’s house after the date, or reports him to HR? The overthinking is endless! All Jeff really needs to do is set a time and place, be confident, and be likeable. It’s straightforward, she’ll either like him or she won’t!

3). Obsession with hypergamy - Your average woman isn't spending 95% of her free time and mental energy chasing after some Chad. I see animals avoiding moving vehicles all the time because they don't want to die. According to this perspective, women are supposedly willing to risk everything for a chance with a Chad. If that's the case, maybe her current situation wasn't that great to begin with?

The whole Alpha and Beta male stuff or Neolithic analogies- nobody cares about that outside the internet. When women meet you, they’re focused on whether you meet their basic standards for attractiveness, if you’re compatible with their life, and whether you’re enjoyable to be around or just plain creepy. That’s it! If every woman only wanted an Alpha male, the world would be in chaos since there simply aren’t enough Alpha males for everyone to reproduce with.
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Lol

Typical bluepilled beta brain that's revolting against obtained knowledge. Ofcourse it's @CornbreadFed .

I said it before and this thread proves my point: most men WISH that sosauve/manosphere/ ect didn't exist and they could forget all they ever heard about the RP.

Let's see who is who in threads like these. One things for sure: all my beta friends who are in difficult constructed LTRs with uncooperative women will happily agree with this :rofl::rofl:
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You are right and I should have specified that I am talking about normal women that you need to connect through social means and not the broken women you see lurking on the Apps, Clubs, Bars, and etc. These women are going to be hypergamous because they are mentally unstable and basically using the Apps/Clubs akin to a gambling addict at a casino. When you only meet women through Apps, Clubs, and Bars then you get put in this echo-chamber of a false reality.
What?

Social means?

Cold approach?

Normal women? Like not every woman is capable of being ALL kinds of women??? Like women font go through different stages ?

It's 2025 almost 26. Apps are an every day life thing.

Bars/nightlife is still THE ultimate socially accepted way to meet the opposite sex. Still undefeated and been like that for almost an entire century.

What you mean? Social circle?Aah. The beloved bluepill favorite. Low effort 100% result. Do we really have to repeat the issues of social circles and dating?

This is proof that some men are hardwired bluepilled and will angrily revolt for whatever reason. You're hustling backwards bro..
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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So you’re dismissing regulation as meaningless and untrustworthy while demanding your own version of it. What’s the actual point about regulation, since your position is clearly inconsistent?
I’m not demanding it, it’s literally the topic of the thread, and the point is that, members like you have a lot to say for someone who can’t back up anything that you’re spouting off about. In that case, the right thing to do is read, ask questions and develop experience in which to report back and enrich the community. Not spew baseless information that you cannot support with your own personal experience.

it’s been requested and supported that this line of dialogue has been developed enough.
 
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What?

Social means?

Cold approach?

Normal women? Like not every woman is capable of being ALL kinds of women??? Like women font go through different stages ?

It's 2025 almost 26. Apps are an every day life thing.
I'm not condemning, just pointing out that toxic hypergamous women are more likely to frequent apps and bars. If that's fine with you, no problem. However, I'm addressing men who constantly complain about hypergamy, yet their approach mainly involves women on dating apps or at clubs.
 

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I'm not condemning, just pointing out that toxic hypergamous women are more likely to frequent apps and bars. If that's fine with you, no problem. However, I'm addressing men who constantly complain about hypergamy, yet their approach mainly involves women on dating apps or at clubs.
So where is a man supposed to meet these new " healthy "women? Church? The library?

Make your case bro
 

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I’m not demanding it, it’s literally the topic of the thread, and the point is that, members like you have a lot to say for someone who can’t back up anything that you’re spouting off about. In that case, the right thing to do is read, ask questions and develop experience in which to report back and enrich the community. Not spew baseless information that you cannot support with your own personal experience.

it’s been requested and supported that this line of dialogue has been developed enough.
You’re literally asking for proof and you are also pro-regulation here, even though in the other thread you were against it and called it untrustworthy.

I mean, it’s reasonable for people to be cautious about sharing personal and private information given how unpredictable and inconsistent your responses and actions can be.
 

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You’re literally asking for proof and you are also pro-regulation here, even though in the other thread you were against it and called it untrustworthy.

I mean, it’s reasonable for people to be cautious about sharing personal and private information given how unpredictable and inconsistent your responses and actions can be.
You can’t help yourself.

Are you a troll?
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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