"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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ways to burn an online chick

poohead

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any good ways to get in a neg hit or something with an online chick - that you message, she reads your message, but decides not to respond?

i usually just leave these chicks alone if they don't respond. just wondering if there was a way to pull a neghit/c+f with them after they choose not to respond to your message.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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flippinfreak

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Um, first of all you shouldn't care... I know you do though, and your not going to stop.

Just turn your mouth over to ********. Say everything to her with the emotions of a woman and hope she bites, than you can get back into frame as yourself

What message did you send her in the first place? What was it about the message that she would have ignored that is bothering you so badly?
 

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well this isn't about one specific chick.

when i'm messaging online chicks i typically pick out 4-5 profiles out of a search that i really like, then i read them. then i come up with a short paragraph or so message for them? a typical one reads like.
subject: salsa dancing
text: hey. cool profile. where do you like to salsa dance? how long have you been dancing? do you take lessons? you write really clearly, i agree with a lot you had to say about relationships. cute dog! that breed is the cutest when they're puppies. have you gone to any sox games this year?
just trying to make it conversational, and like i put time into reading her profile. the ones that really get to me are the ones that don't respond at all - these are the great majority. it pisses me off because it's not like i message all HB10's. most of them are at my level - i rate myself an HB8-9, or beneath my level. they just have huge heads because they have 30 emails a day from AFC's on the dating sites.
 

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Oh sh!t, I didn't think you were actually at an online dating site...

Ignore me than man, I'm one of those guys who thinks the places are retarded and are a burden on society.

Since your never going to see the girls again, I say go with your gut and just message them any damned way you want to. Call them b!tches, accuse them of thinking you are a chump. Just make it long, with lots of highlighted portions and try to catch their attention.
 

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poohead said:
...they just have huge heads because they have 30 emails a day from AFC's on the dating sites.
Unfortunately you are one of those AFCs with that attitude. Sorry but this shouldn't be bothering you.

If they don't reply it means they aren't interested - what more do you need to know? Don't take it personal and focus your energy on women that actually like you - instead to trying to initiate a pissing contest with a ticked off female. If you want drama in your life with no sex in return then by all means take this approach.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Francisco d'Anconia

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I don't know if I should :kick: AFCs online or what. They make women think all guys are @ssholes. Although they do make us DJs look really good in comparison...
 

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~~~ chucking @ Francisco's remark ~~~

Is poohead Mr.Non-Juan under a double-pseudonym?
 

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poohead said:
well this isn't about one specific chick.

when i'm messaging online chicks i typically pick out 4-5 profiles out of a search that i really like, then i read them. then i come up with a short paragraph or so message for them? a typical one reads like:

Quote:
subject: salsa dancing
text: hey. cool profile. where do you like to salsa dance? how long have you been dancing? do you take lessons? you write really clearly, i agree with a lot you had to say about relationships. cute dog! that breed is the cutest when they're puppies. have you gone to any sox games this year?


just trying to make it conversational, and like i put time into reading her profile. the ones that really get to me are the ones that don't respond at all - these are the great majority. it pisses me off because it's not like i message all HB10's. most of them are at my level - i rate myself an HB8-9, or beneath my level. they just have huge heads because they have 30 emails a day from AFC's on the dating sites.
Yes they do get 30 emails a day that's exactly why your messages need to stand out from the rest of the pack. The key to this - humor. Surprise them. Most guys will send cutesy safe messages like that and you need to one up them. Here's what I would say to this chick, basing the info on what you wrote:

"Hey what's up? salsa dancing is cool but i prefer ballet. I've always had a thing for tights and everyone thinks I look good in them. Relationships ... blah too much pressure. I just want to have fun. Any big plans for the summer?"

I'll guarantee 9/10 times she'd respond to that, presuming she's attracted to you. It may not lead anywhere but at least it's a start.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well, mrruckus, If you mean the first one, then yes...on the second one I dont really think so...that was really outstanding actually, but on the other thing...the thights thingy might leave her thinking your gay...haha..but it was good anyways...and Im sure one might find other variations that dont have that effect:p
 

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Just change around your messages poohead.

No reason to want to burn some online chick, which isn't going to happen anyways, because your response to their profile sounds AFC.

You're message expresses to much interest, compliments them, and then asks boring questions that don't get them thinking.

Try a similar structure to what you would do during the initial interactions with a girl on the street.

A lot of the ones I do are something like:
Hey,

Checked out your profile and saw you rock-climb. That's pretty uncommon, you done it long?

I did some rock-climbing last year in California over the summer with some friends, that was a crazy experience.

Gotta love travelling, it's definately important to get out an see new things. It's to easy to just get stuck in a routine and not try new things, you know what I mean?

So where's the coolest place you've been lately?
I get responses almost 100% of the time keeping with that structure.

You express a basic interest without being kiss-ass or over complimentary.
You do a slight demonstration of value.
You tap into a commonality for them to relate to (The stuck in a routine thing, since everone understands that feeling)
Then you give the a question that will make them think, because its a subtle qualifier and they will try and come up with something to show they are cool.

Westbeaches response was a good one as well, and you can come up with your own style. Just don't be like every other moron out there that sends a kiss-ass first message.

You wouldn't display that much interest in a girl at a bar would you?
How far do you think if you went up to a girl and said:
"Hey cool outfit, i really like it"
"You come here often, like to play pool?"
"Oh I see you drink beer, I loooove beer to!"
"You go to club X much?"

Online structure isn't that much different than real life, except you can't use body language, voice tone, or confident aura as a replacement for good verbal (in this case written) game.

But the principles apply. Assume she would be interested in a catch such as yourself, initiate a convo but get her to qualify herself a bit. Since it's assumed she wants you, you need to screen her to see if she is a good fit for you. You think she may be, but aren't sure yet.

If you want, PM me your profile and I'll give you some suggestions. Easiest way to pull from online is to write up a decent profile then filter through all the girls who send initial messages to find one's you want. Keeps your time investment small, but results fairly good.
 
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