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I agree the virus is a serious threat, but remember deaths are a trailing indicator.
Also, remember that the death toll is heavily padded, while the infection rate is dramatically under-reported. Due to the communicability, it's possible that 10s of millions (or more) of Americans have already been infected. If 100%of Americans had already been infected, imagine how listing everyone who died W I T H the Commie Crud as a casualty O F the Commie Crud would skew the public perception of its lethality.
 

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Also, remember that the death toll is heavily padded, while the infection rate is dramatically under-reported.
Well, some say the death toll is heavily padded, and some say it is underestimated. I suppose it depends to some extent on what you want to believe. But there is absolutely no question that the number of infected must be more than what is confirmed. How much more depends on who you listen to.
 

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The analogy I think is simple. There was a possibility that the ship was sinking, so we just started throwing everything and everybody overboard.
 

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Well, some say the death toll is heavily padded, and some say it is underestimated. I suppose it depends to some extent on what you want to believe. But there is absolutely no question that the number of infected must be more than what is confirmed. How much more depends on who you listen to.
Given that everyone is going out to get groceries I think it is safe to say there may be a very high number of asymptomatic infected.
 
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Not referring to anyone on here, just online in general.

It's amazing to watch how strongly people will argue against anyone who suggests reopening anything. Even if you suggest gradually. It's as if they want everything to remain closed. Same talking points every time.

What is the driving factor for this. Are people so afraid? Do they like being stuck at home? Why maybe things will be shutdown all year they shout with glee.

It's the oddest thing I've seen. Just reminds me of people's attitude with snow. Snowstorm forecasted for 3 inches. They'll go on and on about one metereologist who predicted 15 inches of snow. "I'll be snowed out of work and stuck at home with my blankey!", they say.

Not saying Covid-19 isn't serious. Just saying some people's attitude is odd. A let me suck on my bottle while the government takes care of me attitude.

Then there's the corny commercials. Your country needs you to stay home! Sure, every business deemed "essential" would advertise that wouldn't they? They are still making money.

Not even sure how to process all of this. Mindblown.
 

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Well, some say the death toll is heavily padded, and some say it is underestimated. I suppose it depends to some extent on what you want to believe. But there is absolutely no question that the number of infected must be more than what is confirmed. How much more depends on who you listen to.
Dr Birx admitted that the death toll is padded, from the podium, to the press, in the WH pressroom. What I'd like to believe is that we can trust our government to be straight with us, and that was certainly a moment of candor, but mostly we can't trust them as far as we can throw them. Even President Trump alluded to the padding recently(as did the CT governor, in a press conference).

The problem is that AOCra-cra and Schmuck Tumor are currently pushing a bill that'll make it impossible to ever clean up the death toll, if passed; so, we may never have real numbers on that end.

I have a feeling, also, that something will muck up the release of mass testing numbers, or the testing itself, so that we never get an accurate picture of just how many Americans were truly infected.

Time will tell, but what I see bears no relation to what I W A N T to see. What I suspect, however, is that the lethality of the ChiCom Crud will turn out to be somewhere in the neighborhood of seasonal influenza....quazi-offically. I, also, predict there will be a polarizing retrospective debate over whether national shutdown should be the default response to every new contagion, or whether it was a H U G E mistake that should N E V E R be repeated; I fall into the latter camp, in case anyone is wondering.
 

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Our leaders are dealing with two hands...

On the first, millions and millions die, but they save the economy.

And on the other, they save the lives, but the economy collapses, causing famines worldwide, resulting in more death anyway.

But lo! There is a THIRD option:

Stop the deaths, restart the economy, and all goes back to normal!

But, so far, our leaders refuse to consider paying the price required to make option three a reality. They must be stubborn and selfish.
 

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Explain how that third option works. Be specific.
Let the Queen finally respond to the King, and then let them share a Romance together before getting married.

Voila!

The virus would then disappear in short order. Turn the economy back on. Back to normal.

A solution so simple, a monkey would have the common sense to put it into practice.
 
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Let the Queen finally respond to the King, and then let them share a Romance together before getting married.

Voila!

The virus would then disappear in short order. Turn the economy back on. Back to normal.

A solution so simple, a monkey would have the common sense to put it into practice.
A specific plan is required to open the economy. Platitudes won't cut it. Explain to us what that looks like.
 

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A specific plan is required to open the economy. Platitudes won't cut it. Explain to us what that looks like.
The economy is shut down because of the plague, correct? And there's only a plague because our leaders are attempting to defy their King and Queen. Thus, if they want to get ride of the plague so they can reopen the economy, they just need to stop their defiance.

Like I said, a monkey, man ... a monkey.
 

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This is gibberish if I've ever seen it.

The economy is shut down because of the plague, correct?
Correct.

And there's only a plague because our leaders are attempting to defy their King and Queen.
No. Community spread of novel coronavirus (COVID-19), which humans most likely had no prior immunity is the source of the plague.

Thus, if they want to get ride of the plague so they can reopen the economy, they just need to stop their defiance.
Getting rid of the plague requires herd immunity (estimated at least 50-80% of humans), likely done by widespread vaccination.

Like I said, a monkey, man ... a monkey.
Try speaking english.
 

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This is gibberish if I've ever seen it.



Correct.



No. Community spread of novel coronavirus (COVID-19), which humans most likely had no prior immunity is the source of the plague.



Getting rid of the plague requires herd immunity (estimated at least 50-80% of humans), likely done by widespread vaccination.



Try speaking english.
Well then, let them either save lives at the expense of greatly damaging the economy -- or let them make some sacrificial deaths to avoid toppling the world's entire economic system.

What's so special about one man and one woman and keeping them apart, anyway?

Why are they making great efforts to avoid the third option? It's illogical.
 

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Dr Birx admitted that the death toll is padded, from the podium, to the press, in the WH pressroom. What I'd like to believe is that we can trust our government to be straight with us, and that was certainly a moment of candor, but mostly we can't trust them as far as we can throw them. Even President Trump alluded to the padding recently(as did the CT governor, in a press conference).

The problem is that AOCra-cra and Schmuck Tumor are currently pushing a bill that'll make it impossible to ever clean up the death toll, if passed; so, we may never have real numbers on that end.

I have a feeling, also, that something will muck up the release of mass testing numbers, or the testing itself, so that we never get an accurate picture of just how many Americans were truly infected.

Time will tell, but what I see bears no relation to what I W A N T to see. What I suspect, however, is that the lethality of the ChiCom Crud will turn out to be somewhere in the neighborhood of seasonal influenza....quazi-offically. I, also, predict there will be a polarizing retrospective debate over whether national shutdown should be the default response to every new contagion, or whether it was a H U G E mistake that should N E V E R be repeated; I fall into the latter camp, in case anyone is wondering.
New study out https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-antibody-testing-finds-bay-area-infections-85-times-higher-reported-researchers

Significance? That would the fatality rate way down.
 
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I know that is one county, but if this is even close to true then 10s of millions of Americans are already infected and have no symptoms. The fatality rate may be way lower than feared.
 

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Well then, let them either save lives at the expense of greatly damaging the economy -- or let them make some sacrificial deaths to avoid toppling the world's entire economic system.
Sacrificing human life for profit is immoral. We already knew dying for economic gain was your position. Thankfully, every major country in the world has not followed your suggestion.

What's so special about one man and one woman and keeping them apart, anyway?

Why are they making great efforts to avoid the third option? It's illogical.
Read more. Social Distancing.
 

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Not referring to anyone on here, just online in general.

It's amazing to watch how strongly people will argue against anyone who suggests reopening anything. Even if you suggest gradually. It's as if they want everything to remain closed. Same talking points every time.

What is the driving factor for this. Are people so afraid? Do they like being stuck at home? Why maybe things will be shutdown all year they shout with glee.

It's the oddest thing I've seen. Just reminds me of people's attitude with snow. Snowstorm forecasted for 3 inches. They'll go on and on about one metereologist who predicted 15 inches of snow. "I'll be snowed out of work and stuck at home with my blankey!", they say.

Not saying Covid-19 isn't serious. Just saying some people's attitude is odd. A let me suck on my bottle while the government takes care of me attitude.

Then there's the corny commercials. Your country needs you to stay home! Sure, every business deemed "essential" would advertise that wouldn't they? They are still making money.

Not even sure how to process all of this. Mindblown.
My man, it's about narratives. The truth is that the biggest opponents to reopening the country deep down couldnt give 2 sh1ts about COVID19 deaths other than to further a narrative....

....the SS overlords wont let us talk about it but we all know what'd up...
 

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Let the Queen finally respond to the King, and then let them share a Romance together before getting married.
Let the Queen finally make the King a sammich'. lolz
 
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