"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Wardobe tips...
- Thread starter Warrior74
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
squirrels
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What do you do? Where do you want to look good? Work? Clubbing?
For suits/shirts/ties, I'd go up to Men's Wearhouse...they will get you looking good. They also have some good "mature man" casual wear there.
When I went to Vegas a couple years ago, they hooked me up with some nice silk gear for the heat...I didn't look half-bad. Also helped me match up some good shirt/tie combinations for work.
For suits/shirts/ties, I'd go up to Men's Wearhouse...they will get you looking good. They also have some good "mature man" casual wear there.
When I went to Vegas a couple years ago, they hooked me up with some nice silk gear for the heat...I didn't look half-bad. Also helped me match up some good shirt/tie combinations for work.
I'm an editor/graphic artist at a TV station. I do freelance production work. Usually in my 9-5 we wear company shirts and kahkis so I'm covered for work for now.
As for clubbing, I think I'll be going for the adult lounge type area...I do live in the deep south there is that to consider.
I'm going to be going out and seeing what the true players around here are wearing and basing my gear off that. After all, game is local. (gotta start taking my own advice eh!)
As for clubbing, I think I'll be going for the adult lounge type area...I do live in the deep south there is that to consider.
I'm going to be going out and seeing what the true players around here are wearing and basing my gear off that. After all, game is local. (gotta start taking my own advice eh!)
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
could not give you clothing tips. style is something you have to develop on your own. my style would not fit your style.
i would visit and live at http://www.styleforum.net/
those guys there are what we are to women. they know their **** about clothes.
i would visit and live at http://www.styleforum.net/
those guys there are what we are to women. they know their **** about clothes.
backbreaker said:
Thanks man. I was listening to that Adam Corolla bit about choosing a look. Committing to a style.
My style used to be more of the button down..designer jeans...nice shoes with blazers in the winter...something like this....
http://sempaleto.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/5582lookm03_princ.jpg
but as I gained weight I ended up with a closet full of clothes I can't wear. I recently lost everything in a fire, with no insurance I'm forced to start over from scratch on my wardrobe. Right now I have a bunch of work shirts and few pair of jeans and khakis I scooped up from walmart. As it stands I'm broke (again) and having to start all over on everything. Fortunately I picked up a roommate who has furniture and electronics...so after I get my bills sorted out I can start buying some new clothes. I'm just wondering if it's time to change my look now. And btw before the "get in shape crew" chimes in...I'm in the gym tomorrow at 6am. Might as well get fit before I commit to a look.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
yeah man sorry to hear that.
i've been there with the weight.
i used to rock that look quite often.
i'd focus on the weight first if that is going to change, beucase if you buy clothes now you will be buying them later again anyway. never buy a full wardrobe utnil you are 100% satisfied wtih your size.
more important than the actual style of the clothes, is that they FIT.
that is half the battle. Fit to the T.
i've been there with the weight.
i used to rock that look quite often.
i'd focus on the weight first if that is going to change, beucase if you buy clothes now you will be buying them later again anyway. never buy a full wardrobe utnil you are 100% satisfied wtih your size.
more important than the actual style of the clothes, is that they FIT.
that is half the battle. Fit to the T.
sharkbeat
Master Don Juan
I think the best advice is to actually ask a woman, who knows about fashion and cares about you, about what you should wear. It is true that fit is much better for men. Unfortunately, we love to wear baggy comfortable clothes than uncomfortably fitting clothes.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
the worst thing you can do is ask a woman for clothing advise..
god that's horrible on so many levels
1. most women think by nature they have style and they don't. most women suck ass at picking out clothes,but think because they are women they can.
my fiancee is as cute as button but her idea of style when i met her was blue jeans and a fitted shirt. she did not own 1 sundress, not one ****tail dress, i remember the first time i tired to really take her out, like REALLY take her out, she tried to wear some jeans.. and mind you she's 6 years older than me. but no she is a woman it must be right. i buy her clothes now and have for a while. she would find back alley stores and call me
The only girl I have ever... known that was anywhere near my level when it came to style is my old oneitis. if she told me something looked good I listened, because i knew just how in tune she was with fashion, which was pretty damned in tune.
most women read a damn fashion mag here or there, may flip by the style channel or think that because they go to the gap eveyr other weekend they know what looks hot and what doesn't. no.
**** what women want.
you don't' know how many times I've taken women firends shopping, or GF's or whatever,and they say "what the hell is that" then when they see me in it one day say "wow you look great"
learn how to dress man.
2. a woman wants a man that can put it together, not a man she has to put together, you are man not a mr. potato head doll.
Take a girl shopping with you and walk in say... xpress, which i do shop there quite often.. and the vast majority of the skanks will say 2 things. 1. that's girls store or 2. you are gay
but when i pick them up for a date or they see me out dressed like this
http://www.upscaleswagger.com/wp-co...-shirt-solid-with-covered-placket-express.jpg
which is an outfit i own to the tee (you have o have the body to pull express clothes off)... "damn you look good"
like men, most women have no idea what they really want in a man's wardrobe. they know waht they think they want. my fiancee, bless her heart one day about last year tried to go in american eagle and buy me some cargo shorts, again something she thought would look good. for the sake of not hurting her feelings i did not take them back but she doesnt' buy clothes for me anymore. She's gotten much better though.
but the main rule is clothes must fix. regardless of what you wear it will look 5x better if it fix.
i could wear that same outfit and look like a bum if it were a size too big or my shirt wasn't pressed or my pants were a size or two too big.
most women will tell you they want a man's clothes to not be soo tight. but most men aren't in shape. for a man that is not in shape that is great advise.
if you have a 6 pack and have arms that are not twigs, you want to show them off. you want your clothes to be as tight as possible without being uncomfortable.
god that's horrible on so many levels
1. most women think by nature they have style and they don't. most women suck ass at picking out clothes,but think because they are women they can.
my fiancee is as cute as button but her idea of style when i met her was blue jeans and a fitted shirt. she did not own 1 sundress, not one ****tail dress, i remember the first time i tired to really take her out, like REALLY take her out, she tried to wear some jeans.. and mind you she's 6 years older than me. but no she is a woman it must be right. i buy her clothes now and have for a while. she would find back alley stores and call me
The only girl I have ever... known that was anywhere near my level when it came to style is my old oneitis. if she told me something looked good I listened, because i knew just how in tune she was with fashion, which was pretty damned in tune.
most women read a damn fashion mag here or there, may flip by the style channel or think that because they go to the gap eveyr other weekend they know what looks hot and what doesn't. no.
**** what women want.
you don't' know how many times I've taken women firends shopping, or GF's or whatever,and they say "what the hell is that" then when they see me in it one day say "wow you look great"
learn how to dress man.
2. a woman wants a man that can put it together, not a man she has to put together, you are man not a mr. potato head doll.
Take a girl shopping with you and walk in say... xpress, which i do shop there quite often.. and the vast majority of the skanks will say 2 things. 1. that's girls store or 2. you are gay
but when i pick them up for a date or they see me out dressed like this
http://www.upscaleswagger.com/wp-co...-shirt-solid-with-covered-placket-express.jpg
which is an outfit i own to the tee (you have o have the body to pull express clothes off)... "damn you look good"
like men, most women have no idea what they really want in a man's wardrobe. they know waht they think they want. my fiancee, bless her heart one day about last year tried to go in american eagle and buy me some cargo shorts, again something she thought would look good. for the sake of not hurting her feelings i did not take them back but she doesnt' buy clothes for me anymore. She's gotten much better though.
but the main rule is clothes must fix. regardless of what you wear it will look 5x better if it fix.
i could wear that same outfit and look like a bum if it were a size too big or my shirt wasn't pressed or my pants were a size or two too big.
most women will tell you they want a man's clothes to not be soo tight. but most men aren't in shape. for a man that is not in shape that is great advise.
if you have a 6 pack and have arms that are not twigs, you want to show them off. you want your clothes to be as tight as possible without being uncomfortable.
Joe Stud
Master Don Juan
i have had luck for general stuff going to the clothing thrift store or volunteers of america store. got 3 shirts, 3 prs of jeans, and western boots for $24. all hardly used. take your time, try stuff on. make sure they fit decently.
Once you have reached weight and muscle level you want, you spend money on the following; ONES IN BOLD ARE A MUST.
WORK WEAR- Slacks, dress shirts, ties, black dress shoes and a nice suit.
CASUAL WEAR (Cheapest)- Shorts, 2 pairs of less expensivejeans, t-shirts, polos, and short sleeve button ups, flip flops, swim trunks, sneakers for gym, nice sneakers (diesel or etc) for jeans and t shirt wear. Hoodies, sweaters, etc for winter.
GOING OUT OR DATING WEAR- 2 pairs of nice dark or medium wash jeans. 3 long sleeve going out shirts (guess, buckle, or more expensive stuff) they should be black, white, and whatever else color. 2 long sleeve shirts that are not too dressy or too club looking for dates or get togethers.
FIRSTWORK WEAR/SECONDCASUAL/THIRD GOING OUT OR DATING CLOTHES. That's the order you should shop. A man needs only three pairs of shoes (black oxfords, nice sneakers, gym sneakers) plus flip flops. He needs one suit, two dress pants, five work shirts (long sleeve) five ties, a nice watch, gym wear, nice sneakers for casual wear, polo shirts, plenty of t-shirts, socks, boxers, and very few short sleeve button ups. Essential are club shirts (3) and regular dress shirts but not work dress (non solid colors) for a date or something. A nice jacket in winter time, sunglasses in the summer. Don't be a ****head and wear sunglasses when its raining or inside buildings. A black belt for black shoes, a brown belt for everything else. A man should never wear jewelry unless he is married or wants to look and see what time it is.
DO NOT BUY LOOSE FITTING CLOTHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK FAT, DO NOT BUY TOO TIGHT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DUMB ASS, DO NOT THROW MONEY AWAY BUY THROWING NICE CLOTHES IN DRYER, EITHER HANG DRY OR DRY CLEAN.
WORK WEAR- Slacks, dress shirts, ties, black dress shoes and a nice suit.
CASUAL WEAR (Cheapest)- Shorts, 2 pairs of less expensivejeans, t-shirts, polos, and short sleeve button ups, flip flops, swim trunks, sneakers for gym, nice sneakers (diesel or etc) for jeans and t shirt wear. Hoodies, sweaters, etc for winter.
GOING OUT OR DATING WEAR- 2 pairs of nice dark or medium wash jeans. 3 long sleeve going out shirts (guess, buckle, or more expensive stuff) they should be black, white, and whatever else color. 2 long sleeve shirts that are not too dressy or too club looking for dates or get togethers.
FIRSTWORK WEAR/SECONDCASUAL/THIRD GOING OUT OR DATING CLOTHES. That's the order you should shop. A man needs only three pairs of shoes (black oxfords, nice sneakers, gym sneakers) plus flip flops. He needs one suit, two dress pants, five work shirts (long sleeve) five ties, a nice watch, gym wear, nice sneakers for casual wear, polo shirts, plenty of t-shirts, socks, boxers, and very few short sleeve button ups. Essential are club shirts (3) and regular dress shirts but not work dress (non solid colors) for a date or something. A nice jacket in winter time, sunglasses in the summer. Don't be a ****head and wear sunglasses when its raining or inside buildings. A black belt for black shoes, a brown belt for everything else. A man should never wear jewelry unless he is married or wants to look and see what time it is.
DO NOT BUY LOOSE FITTING CLOTHING THAT MAKES YOU LOOK FAT, DO NOT BUY TOO TIGHT THAT MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE A DUMB ASS, DO NOT THROW MONEY AWAY BUY THROWING NICE CLOTHES IN DRYER, EITHER HANG DRY OR DRY CLEAN.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Kailex
Master Don Juan
Buy one piece of clothing in the desired size you'd like to be.
Place it out on a hanger in a place that's REALLY visible to you and just leave it there until you've reached your goal. I did that a while back and it worked. Now that I reached that goal (from XL to L)... I'm doing the same with a really nice M shirt.
Place it out on a hanger in a place that's REALLY visible to you and just leave it there until you've reached your goal. I did that a while back and it worked. Now that I reached that goal (from XL to L)... I'm doing the same with a really nice M shirt.
kingsam
Master Don Juan
have you seen the crap tucker max wears, old grey tshirts and plain old jeans.... he not living in scarcity!Warrior74 said:
look on youtube at his film Q+A's hes wearing the same things (above) for a lot/most of them....
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Dear God stay away from styleforum.net. They have the absolute worst taste there. Read the thread "what I'm wearing today" and if you can get through 10 pages without bursting into laughter you deserve a pat on the back (or a therapist). If you want to NOT get laid then you'll follow the advice on styleforum.net.
R. Don Steele always said get a woman under the age of 30 to dress you, and follow what she says no matter how ridiculous you think it is. I did that with my hair. All the young chicks I know were telling me cut it short, like a buzz-cut. I always liked it long and swept back. I cut it short and sure enough I get lots more attention from chicks.
If you're dressing for young women, then let young women dress you.
EDIT: Here's the link to the above mentioned thread. Ask yourself if you really want to look like these fools..
http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=160731
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Hey Warrior,
You are one of my favourite posters on here and I know you'll figure out what works best for you even without our input.
Without having read ALL the posts I can say that having a female who's "plugged in" to all the fashion trends will work best. Take her shopping, try things on and let her pick what works, in her opinion. Then buy her lunch. I do this all the time. I've recently changed up my wardrobe and I bought things I thought were the weirdest or lamest outfits and then got complimented on them by other girls. I just gave my "personal stylists" full control and then bought what they suggested. It works.
Another thing I did was download something called the Style Bible. It was a pdf you should definitely check out. Great tips in there. Cheers!
You are one of my favourite posters on here and I know you'll figure out what works best for you even without our input.
Without having read ALL the posts I can say that having a female who's "plugged in" to all the fashion trends will work best. Take her shopping, try things on and let her pick what works, in her opinion. Then buy her lunch. I do this all the time. I've recently changed up my wardrobe and I bought things I thought were the weirdest or lamest outfits and then got complimented on them by other girls. I just gave my "personal stylists" full control and then bought what they suggested. It works.
Another thing I did was download something called the Style Bible. It was a pdf you should definitely check out. Great tips in there. Cheers!