"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Wait or setup 3rd date?

PokerInTheRear

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Hi guys...

I been seeing this girl I met, two dates now. I asked her out for both. Kissed tons first date, and nearly sexed her 2nd, but she slowed it down.

She texted me the day after thanking me for a good time and we went back and forth with a couple msgs.

When together, I feel her IL is high, but not so much otherwise, its weird. I'd like to see her again, but think its her turn to show interest no?

I have two others Im working now, but this girl is tge forerunner.

Do I put her on ice until she steps up?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Tiguere

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no try to set something for the weekend. your cue to her interest level is her level of xcitement when you ask her out
 

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Maybe I am too used to disordered women who dont leave you alone when interested, but this chick has only reached out very rarely. Is this more the norm?
 

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PokerInTheRear said:
Maybe I am too used to disordered women who dont leave you alone when interested, but this chick has only reached out very rarely. Is this more the norm?
It's not the norm. But different girls have different styles.

I've dated a decent amount of girls who never asked me to hang, but whenever I'd make plans with them, they'd immediately accept with no rescheduling or negotiating.

I just assume that some girls are just shy or traditional. You know, "the man leads", and all that stuff.

You had her on the verge of sex on date 2. Damn straight you try to set up date 3.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Iceberg said:
It's not the norm. But different girls have different styles.

I've dated a decent amount of girls who never asked me to hang, but whenever I'd make plans with them, they'd immediately accept with no rescheduling or negotiating.

I just assume that some girls are just shy or traditional. You know, "the man leads", and all that stuff.

You had her on the verge of sex on date 2. Damn straight you try to set up date 3.
I second this.

Many girls will not call guys out of principle. Let's face it, when a chick is calling you to hang out all the time, your interest drops quickly. We have our rules, they have their rules. If you already almost F'd her and are getting no resistance when you ask her out. You're gold.
 

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Ok, left her a voicemail asking her out this weekend, I'll update...
 

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Don’t worry it seems like you had a great time and she liked the last date. Making out in between sessions shows that she likes you. You have sparked attraction that will make her ask for more that’s what’s most important.

Don't keep her on ice (you want to keep her hot). What you have to consider now is to escalate the attraction level. could text her small things like “I was just at the gym and I thought about you, so I thought I would text no big deal”. But make sure to keep her hot. :up:
 

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john_trenor said:
Don’t worry it seems like you had a great time and she liked the last date. Making out in between sessions shows that she likes you. You have sparked attraction that will make her ask for more that’s what’s most important.

Don't keep her on ice (you want to keep her hot). What you have to consider now is to escalate the attraction level. could text her small things like “I was just at the gym and I thought about you, so I thought I would text no big deal”. But make sure to keep her hot. :up:
I would not recommend this move unless she starts sending you txt's of this nature first.
 

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Guys, ya'll were right on.... She had plans my free night, but said she'd rearrange her weekend because she wants to see me.

I dig this one, but am keeping other things spinning. Thanks!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I would not recommend this move unless she starts sending you txt's of this nature first.
Here we go again, more contradictory messages being sent out here.

The DJ Bible says to "take the lead and escalate" and Weezy says "No, don't take the lead and proceed" which is it?

I like John's idea, plus I fail to see how that will put a woman off unless she is a prude or someone who isn't attracted to the OP, but we know from what he's told us that this is not the case.

I think the OP needs to escalate and if sending a few sexual texts helps him move base then fair play to him and I hope he gets what he wants.
 

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PokerInTheRear said:
Guys, ya'll were right on.... She had plans my free night, but said she'd rearrange her weekend because she wants to see me.

I dig this one, but am keeping other things spinning. Thanks!

See that? Once every 100 or so times, we actually know what we're talking about.
 

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perseverance said:
Here we go again, more contradictory messages being sent out here.

The DJ Bible says to "take the lead and escalate" and Weezy says "No, don't take the lead and proceed" which is it?

I like John's idea, plus I fail to see how that will put a woman off unless she is a prude or someone who isn't attracted to the OP, but we know from what he's told us that this is not the case.

I think the OP needs to escalate and if sending a few sexual texts helps him move base then fair play to him and I hope he gets what he wants.
Setup a date, proceed, I agree with that.

I don't see how texting a chick that you're thinking about her is going to escalate anything. Give her a taste in person of your awesomeness and disappear until the time is right for date #4. Who knows, she might just text you and then you know her IL is rising.
 
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Setup a date, proceed, I agree with that.

I don't see how texting a chick that you're thinking about her is going to escalate anything. Give her a taste in person of your awesomeness and disappear until the time is right for date #4. Who knows, she might just text you and then you know her IL is rising.
I see where you are coming from. However, it seems this woman is reluctant to go onto the next base, probably because she doesn't want to be seen as easy or a slvt, so by sending a text or even saying such things in person on date #4, you starting hacking away at her barrier.

If a racey text starts to make her feel comfortable about things then that is only a positive thing in my book.
 

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Build up the comfort and attraction.
Break out the big guns of KINO... HEAVY artillery.
Make sure you end up at her place or your place.

PLOW through LMR.

If she said "NO" the second date and is now rearranging her weekend just to see you... your bar needs to be set at "SEX". Anything less is NOT acceptable, soldier.

Hit the sheets and report back. Win or lose.

And BTW, it doesn't matter if she never calls you before sex. You lead. You're the male. If the act ends up happening and you guys get through that just fine... she WILL start calling you afterwards.

Your end game isn't getting her to call you or initiate... your end game should always be to get in between those sheets. Remember, women usually reserve three key words in their daily vernacular:

- STOP
- NO
- DON'T

Your goal is to make them say: No, don't stop!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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IF you are Honest, then i would go for the Day 3 right away.. my biggest problem is to Kiss her again on day 2, if this happens, i KNOW her IL is high enough to F* me.. If we do not F on day 2, i call her 2 days after the second date, and ask her to come over to watch a movie that i just bought, then we usually F ..

This is a Rough guide though!.. Keep in mind, i ALMOST have not dated for 2 years, since i was in a 2yr ltr until 2 months ago :b
 

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Kailex said:
Hit the sheets and report back. Win or lose.

Win. You all were right.

I cleaned up the pad, made a fire, dim lights... I rented a movie... She came by and we started having a drink. Never turned on the tv. We were in bed within 15 min.

Very good time. Gorgeous, toned body...

Just gonna let this one play out from here.
 
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