"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Wait or setup 3rd date?

PokerInTheRear

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Hi guys...

I been seeing this girl I met, two dates now. I asked her out for both. Kissed tons first date, and nearly sexed her 2nd, but she slowed it down.

She texted me the day after thanking me for a good time and we went back and forth with a couple msgs.

When together, I feel her IL is high, but not so much otherwise, its weird. I'd like to see her again, but think its her turn to show interest no?

I have two others Im working now, but this girl is tge forerunner.

Do I put her on ice until she steps up?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Tiguere

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no try to set something for the weekend. your cue to her interest level is her level of xcitement when you ask her out
 

PokerInTheRear

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Maybe I am too used to disordered women who dont leave you alone when interested, but this chick has only reached out very rarely. Is this more the norm?
 

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PokerInTheRear said:
Maybe I am too used to disordered women who dont leave you alone when interested, but this chick has only reached out very rarely. Is this more the norm?
It's not the norm. But different girls have different styles.

I've dated a decent amount of girls who never asked me to hang, but whenever I'd make plans with them, they'd immediately accept with no rescheduling or negotiating.

I just assume that some girls are just shy or traditional. You know, "the man leads", and all that stuff.

You had her on the verge of sex on date 2. Damn straight you try to set up date 3.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Iceberg said:
It's not the norm. But different girls have different styles.

I've dated a decent amount of girls who never asked me to hang, but whenever I'd make plans with them, they'd immediately accept with no rescheduling or negotiating.

I just assume that some girls are just shy or traditional. You know, "the man leads", and all that stuff.

You had her on the verge of sex on date 2. Damn straight you try to set up date 3.
I second this.

Many girls will not call guys out of principle. Let's face it, when a chick is calling you to hang out all the time, your interest drops quickly. We have our rules, they have their rules. If you already almost F'd her and are getting no resistance when you ask her out. You're gold.
 

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Ok, left her a voicemail asking her out this weekend, I'll update...
 

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Don’t worry it seems like you had a great time and she liked the last date. Making out in between sessions shows that she likes you. You have sparked attraction that will make her ask for more that’s what’s most important.

Don't keep her on ice (you want to keep her hot). What you have to consider now is to escalate the attraction level. could text her small things like “I was just at the gym and I thought about you, so I thought I would text no big deal”. But make sure to keep her hot. :up:
 

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john_trenor said:
Don’t worry it seems like you had a great time and she liked the last date. Making out in between sessions shows that she likes you. You have sparked attraction that will make her ask for more that’s what’s most important.

Don't keep her on ice (you want to keep her hot). What you have to consider now is to escalate the attraction level. could text her small things like “I was just at the gym and I thought about you, so I thought I would text no big deal”. But make sure to keep her hot. :up:
I would not recommend this move unless she starts sending you txt's of this nature first.
 

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Guys, ya'll were right on.... She had plans my free night, but said she'd rearrange her weekend because she wants to see me.

I dig this one, but am keeping other things spinning. Thanks!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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I would not recommend this move unless she starts sending you txt's of this nature first.
Here we go again, more contradictory messages being sent out here.

The DJ Bible says to "take the lead and escalate" and Weezy says "No, don't take the lead and proceed" which is it?

I like John's idea, plus I fail to see how that will put a woman off unless she is a prude or someone who isn't attracted to the OP, but we know from what he's told us that this is not the case.

I think the OP needs to escalate and if sending a few sexual texts helps him move base then fair play to him and I hope he gets what he wants.
 

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PokerInTheRear said:
Guys, ya'll were right on.... She had plans my free night, but said she'd rearrange her weekend because she wants to see me.

I dig this one, but am keeping other things spinning. Thanks!

See that? Once every 100 or so times, we actually know what we're talking about.
 

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perseverance said:
Here we go again, more contradictory messages being sent out here.

The DJ Bible says to "take the lead and escalate" and Weezy says "No, don't take the lead and proceed" which is it?

I like John's idea, plus I fail to see how that will put a woman off unless she is a prude or someone who isn't attracted to the OP, but we know from what he's told us that this is not the case.

I think the OP needs to escalate and if sending a few sexual texts helps him move base then fair play to him and I hope he gets what he wants.
Setup a date, proceed, I agree with that.

I don't see how texting a chick that you're thinking about her is going to escalate anything. Give her a taste in person of your awesomeness and disappear until the time is right for date #4. Who knows, she might just text you and then you know her IL is rising.
 
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Setup a date, proceed, I agree with that.

I don't see how texting a chick that you're thinking about her is going to escalate anything. Give her a taste in person of your awesomeness and disappear until the time is right for date #4. Who knows, she might just text you and then you know her IL is rising.
I see where you are coming from. However, it seems this woman is reluctant to go onto the next base, probably because she doesn't want to be seen as easy or a slvt, so by sending a text or even saying such things in person on date #4, you starting hacking away at her barrier.

If a racey text starts to make her feel comfortable about things then that is only a positive thing in my book.
 

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Build up the comfort and attraction.
Break out the big guns of KINO... HEAVY artillery.
Make sure you end up at her place or your place.

PLOW through LMR.

If she said "NO" the second date and is now rearranging her weekend just to see you... your bar needs to be set at "SEX". Anything less is NOT acceptable, soldier.

Hit the sheets and report back. Win or lose.

And BTW, it doesn't matter if she never calls you before sex. You lead. You're the male. If the act ends up happening and you guys get through that just fine... she WILL start calling you afterwards.

Your end game isn't getting her to call you or initiate... your end game should always be to get in between those sheets. Remember, women usually reserve three key words in their daily vernacular:

- STOP
- NO
- DON'T

Your goal is to make them say: No, don't stop!
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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IF you are Honest, then i would go for the Day 3 right away.. my biggest problem is to Kiss her again on day 2, if this happens, i KNOW her IL is high enough to F* me.. If we do not F on day 2, i call her 2 days after the second date, and ask her to come over to watch a movie that i just bought, then we usually F ..

This is a Rough guide though!.. Keep in mind, i ALMOST have not dated for 2 years, since i was in a 2yr ltr until 2 months ago :b
 

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Kailex said:
Hit the sheets and report back. Win or lose.

Win. You all were right.

I cleaned up the pad, made a fire, dim lights... I rented a movie... She came by and we started having a drink. Never turned on the tv. We were in bed within 15 min.

Very good time. Gorgeous, toned body...

Just gonna let this one play out from here.
 
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