visualization and psycho-cybernetics

[john_1234]

i've been trying to visualize but it's not as easy as i thought it would be. i realize the importance of attention to detail and using the five senses... do you actually have dialogue in your visualizations? any tips on how to get the most out of visualization would be appreciated. also, does anyone recommend any books on the topic of visualization alone? thanks!

 

[insanity]

hey great book.... pyscho-cybernetics rocks. a great book i recently read was creative visualization by Shakti Gawain. aslo a great read was the power of the sub-conscience mind.

just visualize something easy in your head, like driving up your street. or visualize walking through your house. they are all pretty easy to visualize because you did those things thousands of times.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I suggest using the metaphor that Dr. Maltz uses. For your visualizations, step into the "theater of your mind". Don't forget to use vivid detail.

Feel yourself sinking into a plush comfortable seat as you rest your hands on the armrests. Smell the scent of hot buttered popcorn and jalapeño nachos drifting through the air. Feel your eyes adjust to the dimming of the theater lights. Hear the muted tiny blips and beeps as people put their cell phone on vibrate. Hear the thunderous sound of the THX "Deep Note" crescendo.

You are now a patron in the theater of your mind. Watch yourself in personal experiences which you perform in complete mastery.

 

[john_1234]

I bought Creative Visualization after reading positive reviews on Amazon. That book answered all my ?'s about visualization. The main problem I had was that I was trying too hard. Great book!

While we're on topic, I read "The New Psycho-Cybernetics" w/ Kennedy. I plan on re-reading the book. But I found out there's another version of the book called "Psycho-Cybernetics 2000" w/ Bobbe Sommer. Will Sommer's version help me gain even greater insight? Does Sommer do a good job of hitting the ideas/concepts from a different angle? Should I reread "The New Psycho-Cybernetics" or read "Psycho-Cybernetics 2000?" Thanks!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

It depends on whether you want to learn the base concepts by its founder or reinterpretations of the concepts.

 

[CLOONEY]

What is the point of this visualization? For meditation and relaxation purposes?

I cant say I have ever practised visualisation other than for sport. Why would you want to visualise yourself walking up your hallway? Or sitting in a Cinema? Guess just for meditation. I can see how it would work after reading Franciscos Cinema example, even made me feel like I was there.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The secret behind visualisation is that the mind on its own can not tell what is real or what is imaginary; if you think it, it will believe it is true until you tell it otherwise. Now take that concept as you use it in sports, utilize it in other areas of your life that you would like to enhance or reframe.

Consider how it can be used to transform yourself into a healthy non-smoker, a better free throw shooter, a DJ who isn't afraid of approaching.... Get the idea? All you need is a vivid picture of the area you'd like to chage. Every minute detail including scents and sounds. Make your imagined outcome so realistic that you feel as if it actually happened. Ever have a dream so vivid that when you wake up you have to wait a moment to ask yourself if it were real or if it was a dream? Same concept, you are just awake and in complete control of your thoughts.

This is how NLP is used effectively in a professional setting, not the mind numbing spewing of lines and patterns which many guys are misinformed into believing. Psycho-Cybernetics is the original concept behind NLP. Both are very effective on their own and are even more so when used in tandem.

 

[insanity]

i never read The New Psycho-Cybernetics but the original version seemed to do wonders for me. if you can afford the law of success by napoleon hill which is 65$ canadian! buy it. the book is a massive text book. i read think and grow rich and i ripped right through it and wanted some more after that. i seen the laws of success and i was in reading heaven. this book is so well written, most of his examples are dead on relating to your life and where you are failing and how to succeed.

almost every author in our time has ripped off napoleon hill and most of the books at least mention this great author. i am so glad i had the privalige to read such killer material at a young age. if your stuck in a certain mindframe and can't get out buy this book or at least sit down and read a chapter from it.

 

[bbestar]

I went to barnes and noble, and read a couple of pages of creative visualiaization... and i must say, im amazed..

Just by reading about 5 pages, ive improved the use of visualization 50% or more. Just amazing.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

I went to barnes and noble, and read a couple of pages of creative visualiaization... and i must say, im amazed..

Just by reading about 5 pages, ive improved the use of visualization 50% or more. Just amazing.

It's all about controlling your perceptions of events. You believe what you perceive and that perception is your reality.

Now, consider the myriad of threads that say you must be a certain way or do a particular way in order to succeed. These limiting beliefs are the very thing that hold guys back.

 

[insanity]

clooney, we all use creative visualization without realizing it. before an author writes a book or a director makes a movie, etc, they all use creative visualization. but creative visualization can work both ways. it can be used to benefit you or the opposite. alot of people harness the power of negative visualization. take a don juan at a bar. they see a hb10 sitting across the room and she gives him a little smile. most likely he won't spring to his feet and go and talk to her. he will use his creative visualization or imagination to play out a scene in his head like a movie of all the scenarios. finally he just gets up and starts the approach...but here's where his creative visualization fails him. the closer he gets the more he thinks about her saying no or he thinks how foolish he is going to look. these are what we call the limiting beliefs. they are the conditions that are mind to be percieved as true. so when he gets there and he opens his mouth he looks foolish and she says no.... the exact scene he played in his mind came true.

you would tell me that it's his confidence that screwed him and i would agree but i would say there is validity in visual creativity

 

[CLOONEY]

clooney, we all use creative visualization without realizing it. before an author writes a book or a director makes a movie, etc, they all use creative visualization. but creative visualization can work both ways. it can be used to benefit you or the opposite. alot of people harness the power of negative visualization. take a don juan at a bar. they see a hb10 sitting across the room and she gives him a little smile. most likely he won't spring to his feet and go and talk to her. he will use his creative visualization or imagination to play out a scene in his head like a movie of all the scenarios. finally he just gets up and starts the approach...but here's where his creative visualization fails him. the closer he gets the more he thinks about her saying no or he thinks how foolish he is going to look. these are what we call the limiting beliefs. they are the conditions that are mind to be percieved as true. so when he gets there and he opens his mouth he looks foolish and she says no.... the exact scene he played in his mind came true.

you would tell me that it's his confidence that screwed him and i would agree but i would say there is validity in visual creativity

True True. Interesting. Very well put.

 

[john_1234]

I suggest using the metaphor that Dr. Maltz uses. For your visualizations, step into the "theater of your mind". Don't forget to use vivid detail.

Feel yourself sinking into a plush comfortable seat as you rest your hands on the armrests. Smell the scent of hot buttered popcorn and jalapeño nachos drifting through the air. Feel your eyes adjust to the dimming of the theater lights. Hear the muted tiny blips and beeps as people put their cell phone on vibrate. Hear the thunderous sound of the THX "Deep Note" crescendo.

You are now a patron in the theater of your mind. Watch yourself in personal experiences which you perform in complete mastery.

thanks for the input! detailed vivid imagination is important to get the most out of this... but is it so detailed to the point that there's actual dialogue/conversations while in "theatre of mind?" or is it like a silent movie where you vividly see images w/out the talk? since i've been using "theatre of mind," i've never incorporated actual dialogue, but mainly vivid images and state of mind (feeling relaxed, confident, etc.) what do you think works best?

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

thanks for the input! detailed vivid imagination is important to get the most out of this... but is it so detailed to the point that there's actual dialogue/conversations while in "theatre of mind?" or is it like a silent movie where you vividly see images w/out the talk? since i've been using "theatre of mind," i've never incorporated actual dialogue, but mainly vivid images and state of mind (feeling relaxed, confident, etc.) what do you think works best?

First and foremost keep this in mind, when visualising things that are realistic, the mind on its own can not tell the difference if it was imagined or not. Knowing this and that reality is an experience built on the combined input of multiple senses, wouldn't it be advantageous to use all of the sensory stimulus possible?

Think about this, take any of your visualisation experiences and in addition to making the size as large as an IMAX screen and the colors as vibrant as HDTV, add full rich dialog; the dialog the you would want to hear in real life.

For example, you see yourself approaching a group of women, not only confident but competently. You see them smile as you approach even though you have yet to say a word. You smile back and you feel in your chest the resonance of the words "Hello ladies, mind if I join you?" as they easily flow from your mouth. The women all smile and say "No, not at all!" as they make room for you. As you sit down you can't help but notice the scents of their cologne, you notice Cool Water, Eternity (obviously from the women to the left and the right of you) and you wonder to yourself which one will spark your interest most....

Remember, you naturally take in a wealth of information via multiple senses, use them all to create the state which you want to create in your visualisation.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Bumping.

This may help guys wanting a method to boost their confidence, change their perceptions of particular events in their lives or even helping them communicate in a way that engages women on a level that takes you the their initial approach, having rapport and gaining comfort.