"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Virgin girl "LJBF" me after sex. Or something.

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Last night I went out for a drink with a friend from school. I've known her for about 3 years. We'd have lunch every now and then but she never really gave me any IOI's so I never paid much attention.

Anyhow, we came back to my place, drank a little more, then had sex. Well, sort of. We were both drunk as f**k, and she basically jumped on me. When it started getting hot, she told me to go slow, that she was still a virgin. We fooled around a little, started f***ing... and then she puked. And puked some more. We went out for a walk to get some air then she went back home. Before leaving, she told me: "We're only friends, right?".

So... What's going on? How do I hit it again? Should I ignore her/call her/kill self? I suck at this.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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You ever hear about "buyer's remorse " ?

That woman was engaging in one of a woman's favorite and most popular delusions.
By saying that you and she are " just friends" she can convince herself that she is not really a drunken slvt, because "just friends" do not have REAL sex. In other words,she is contructing a reason why what happened was NOT really first time sex because she realised later that she was drunk and sick and messy and she regrets having sex like that. This has little to do with YOU.
A lot of this thinking is bizarre female reality distortion, but whoever said that woman make sense anyway.

Frankly , you and she will probably have to become B/f and G/f for her to bang you again. In her mind, you and she are then "legit".

How old are you two ?
 

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest she wasn't a virgin. Women have a tendency to tell guys what they think they want us to hear.
 

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jophil28 said:
You ever hear about "buyer's remorse " ?

That woman was engaging in one of a woman's favorite and most popular delusions.
By saying that you and she are " just friends" she can convince herself that she is not really a drunken slvt, because "just friends" do not have REAL sex. In other words,she is contructing a reason why what happened was NOT really first time sex because she realised later that she was drunk and sick and messy and she regrets having sex like that. This has little to do with YOU.
A lot of this thinking is bizarre female reality distortion, but whoever said that woman make sense anyway.

Frankly , you and she will probably have to become B/f and G/f for her to bang you again. In her mind, you and she are then "legit".

How old are you two ?
that actually makes sense...
i'm 25, she's 19.
 

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ummm... I'm going to go the opposite way here. I've had lots of virgin/near-virgin girls say stuff like this because they feel awkward about the "implications" of sex.

I've had nearly the exact same thing happen in first year of college...
Me: "let me see your room, I've never been in this dorm"
Her: "sure"
(sex)
Her: "so we're still friends right?"
Me: "yeah, definitely"
... and then more sex ensued when I ran into her at parties.

I've had this one girl, as I'm fondling her breasts, stop me and say "we're still friends, right?" I answered yes and took off the rest of her clothes. The "friend reminder" thing has happened to me enough times that I see it as more of a justification on her part.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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handle said:
ummm... I'm going to go the opposite way here. I've had lots of virgin/near-virgin girls say stuff like this because they feel awkward about the "implications" of sex.

I've had nearly the exact same thing happen in first year of college...
Me: "let me see your room, I've never been in this dorm"
Her: "sure"
(sex)
Her: "so we're still friends right?"
Me: "yeah, definitely"
... and then more sex ensued when I ran into her at parties.

I've had this one girl, as I'm fondling her breasts, stop me and say "we're still friends, right?" I answered yes and took off the rest of her clothes. The "friend reminder" thing has happened to me enough times that I see it as more of a justification on her part.
"still friends" is different than "only friends"
 

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And to the OP, I've had a girl call me "only a friend" but was all over me a couple of hours later. And she had a boyfriend.
 

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Kal0051 said:
"still friends" is different than "only friends"
Indeed it is.
 

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Who cares if she tells you that you two are only friends. What do you expect her to say. "We're a couple now?" Of course not. Just say what she wants to hear, as long as you're doing her.

If you're not emotionally attracted to her, then who cares, really.
 

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Yeah, I just want to hit it (over and over). However, I don't really know how to handle this. I usually see her once every 2 months or so, but I don't really want to wait another 2 month to hit it again.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Akuma said:
Yeah, I just want to hit it (over and over). However, I don't really know how to handle this. I usually see her once every 2 months or so, but I don't really want to wait another 2 month to hit it again.
JUst call her and suggest that you and she get together. IF she agrees, you are in like flynn,if she hemms and haws or makes excuses then forget it.
 

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JUst call her and suggest that you and she get together. IF she agrees, you are in like flynn,if she hemms and haws or makes excuses then forget it.
She made excuses. Game over. heh.
 

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I'm just gonna post my recent events in relation to this thread as opposed to just starting a new thread. I am currently seeing a girl and we hang out and cuddle. Now she's even offering to me favors like type out a book of my hand written poetry so I can publish it. Anyway, I'm more attracted to this girl's character and than her physical appearance. Maybe I'd give her a 6. Thing is while we've kissed. I don't know that I can do the did with her still partly because she's a virgin and she said she's one by choice.when we start kissing I feel like doing it. Even the first time we kissed I kinda rushed through it and she says to me "we'ill have to do this again another time" most times I hear if the kiss is bad the girl usually nexts the guy. Anyway, she seems to have high interest level but is not needy. I just can't seem to get past that I'm not that physically attracted to her. What do I do? She's one of my plates. I just worry that eventually she'd want more.
 

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Kal0051 said:
"still friends" is different than "only friends"
Fair enough, but people don't really give it that much thought when things like that blurt out. Especially when drunk. So I wouldn't get too concerned about the semantics of the situation here. Basically what I'm trying to say is don't write this one off as a rejection.
 

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Then I had another girl (plate) I had F'd 4 times telling me she felt guilty for religious reasons and just wanted us to be friends. Previously she had also implied that it seems all I want from her is sex and this is not true. Anyway, we hang out saturday to watch a movie. She didn't mind us cuddling and me touching on her. We even kissed and then later she said she had to go because if she stayed any longer she knew what would happen, lol. I told her that if it was gonna happen it would've already happened. So, some times I don't get all these virtual rules. Are friends now allowed to kiss? Lol, this is why women can't be taken seriously. If women are so confused and easily manipulated like this what good are they besides sex and starting a family. I often wonder this. Why would a man want to be with a woman if they can't even live in reality and even know what they want? Yet they say porn objectifies and ridicules women. Yet it's just how easily manipulated they are and yet confused that turns me off.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Akuma, why dont u call her, talk to her about what happened, say all the things about how first time can be nerve racking, etc, etc and then offer your services for the deed, because u know each other so well, she will be comfy doing it with you.... and try getting it that way. Make it all about her, and how u want to help her.... and sit back and reap.
 
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