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Your perspective is interesting as a Gen X. I resonate allot with younger guys despite being in an older generation. You sound more like a blue pilled boomer then a Gen X or at least resonate with older generations dating experiences.
Black pill says women try to date up in terms of looks. A 5/10 woman will accept only a 6/10+ man if they're available. OLD data shows that when women get rejected by higher SMV men, they will immediately reject men at similar SMV as them in order to recover their ego from the previous rejection.
No. Absolutely not. The complete opposite is true. The average man is not happy. The average woman has many high SMV options for all possible types of relationships. Why would women not be happy?
I think he is talking about insols (ie involuntary solitude). Perhaps you can shed some light on this as well. They dont have it as bad as guys. But there is also the issue that women are going against their biology by sleeping around too much and guys are going against their biology by not sleeping with anyone at all. There will always be something off or a key ingedient missing which is why you do see allot of miserable Tic Tok vids posted by women. They dont look happy at all. Just like a guy having no contact with any women. I dont think a woman sleeping around is ultimately proud of herself.
Research and surveys say that women are the unhappiest they have ever been. But lets agree to disagree. Basically, you are saying women are happiest being pumped and dumped by chad... because they only want what is the best, and if they can't have the "best"... welll, women don't mind situationships. I disagree... but whatever. Thanks for clarifying. I still do not agree with the black/purple pill -- or whatever.
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It is what it is. The boomers were much more happier than Gen X or any of the newer generations with respect to dating/marriage/etc. Just because newer generation does not believe in X idea, doesn't mean that idea is wrong.
That is not what I meant to say. My resonation with gen-Z is not because I think they are right, it is because I'm an incel like many of them are and any limited experience I've had in the past with women have always ended traumatically bad. If you have just had great experiences with women or past relationships or most guys in your circle have, then you'll likely resonate with how older generations feel. Its is more of a matter of personal experience and perspective rather than saying one generation is right and another is wrong.It is what it is. The boomers were much more happier than Gen X or any of the newer generations with respect to dating/marriage/etc. Just because newer generation does not believe in X idea, doesn't mean that idea is wrong.
We have to let the idea stand by itself and determine the validity of it. The usefully of an idea. If the current generation decided that square wheels are awesome, it doesn't negate the fact that round circles are better
That makes it a non-sexual transactional rather than looks with subscribes to blackpill thought. Of course you can have non-sexual transactional value, but it's more like bribing the woman to settle for your deficient looks, and in the end, while the below average guy and smoking hot chick might look interesting for the moment, you don't know what soul-sucking sacrifice to his dignity, ego, or wallet he had to do to have her next to her and could also be a cuck for all you know in that arrangement.
That is neither here or there. You posited a question trying to challenge black-pill and you got an answer you don't like and can't really argue against.You have a defeatist attitude
Great explanation!!!
Well that's why there's the infamous gender gap between men and women.
I'd wanna add to this that a big difference between red and blackpilled is that "being redpill" can also mean you are actually prepared and /or open to the way the game works, e.g you hit the gym,work on your status (LMS) despite being single because you KNOW sooner or later it will benefit you when dealing with women.
Yeah, it's a mix of Captain obvious (1,3,4) and nonsense. Let's take 5 and 7: only guys who have dealt solely with hoes could come up with those 2. All the men who have married virgins and started a family and now their kids have become adults prove that 'the one' exists - they couldn't have done it just with any woman and she was theirs all along from the beginning.
In other word: Nihilism. Nothing new here, this sh!t was talked about almost a century ago.
I did not say that. In fact, I said I believe women are unhappy because they are behaving like this, agreeing with your point. Maybe "happy" isn't a clear word. I'll rephrase. Two separate sentences:
It's not really a challenging question.
Their cuckold community has over 1.5 million members.
Sure. It can bring a 4/10 man to a 5/10, maybe 6/10. But what you're not understanding here is that the bare minimum for women has risen. So here's a stat attack.
You have this backwards. What percentage of men 18-26 were incels a century ago? Probably only 2-4%, so we heard almost nothing from them. Today, estimates suggest the range of young men with zero sexual partners in the last year is around 25-33% lower than their female peers. (ie. women share the men). A much, much larger percentage of young men are getting left out of the dating market altogether. If 80% of men struggle for the bottom 20% of women, 5/10 anf 6/10 men will struggle too, and 3/10 men (remember, we're talking strictly genetic looks and nothing else here) will find it almost impossible. Again, black pill came after red pill theory could not explain what was happening. Not before. They self improved and then realized something was wrong.
No. This isn't Nihilism. Please learn what these concepts are before throwing terms around and diluting their meaning. Otherwise, we won't be able to understand what each other is saying at all.
Blue pill sends red pill it's regards from 2012.
The NBA metaphor is flawed, because unlike the NBA there are milions if not bilions of men who defied these stats for centuries. I agree to some extent that the odds are stacked against men, but hey, being a man isn't about living on easy mode. You tell men to be a NPC(blackpilled) imma tell him to GET RICH OR DIE TRYING. You'll go 6 feet anyway. Might as well go after what it is that you want. You want h0es? Well..they are EVERYWHERE.Sure. It can bring a 4/10 man to a 5/10, maybe 6/10. But what you're not understanding here is that the bare minimum for women has risen. So here's a stat attack.
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This famous graph data is 10 years old now. It's been inflated even more since then. Ratings are only how men see it (4/10, 7/10 etc.). Women don't think like we do. For them it's "hot or not." They will begin seeing ratings for when "hot" is not available.
You have this backwards. What percentage of men 18-26 were incels a century ago? Probably only 2-4%, so we heard almost nothing from them. Today, estimates suggest the range of young men with zero sexual partners in the last year is around 25-33% lower than their female peers. (ie. women share the men). A much, much larger percentage of young men are getting left out of the dating market altogether. If 80% of men struggle for the bottom 20% of women, 5/10 anf 6/10 men will struggle too, and 3/10 men (remember, we're talking strictly genetic looks and nothing else here) will find it almost impossible. Again, black pill came after red pill theory could not explain what was happening. Not before. They self improved and then realized something was wrong.
What black pill understands that red pill struggles with is that limitations on resources exist. Again, red pill believes a 4/10 can become a 9/10 with effort.
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This other famous graph is also old. From 2017. Today's dating environments are ruled by very quick, instananeous "hot or not" judgements, with all less superficial meeting spaces sharply declining. This is also a couples survey. If it was last sexual partner instead, then it would probably be even more online or night club orientated. Again, even if you meet a woman in public, all the options she has from Tinder are literally in her pocket. You are still competing with OLD when IRL.
To make it easy:
A 5'6" ginger wants to play professional basketball. He wants to become a millionaire by playing in the NBA. The number of open spots on each team in the NBA total is finite. And his competitors are almost all 6'5" black men with genetically gifted athletic bodies that came from the selection pressures of selling highly priced farm equipment. The ginger, like many of his other 5'6" friends did, is losing in every try out.
Red pill tells him to continue his attempts at becoming an NBA millionaire regardless of current talent, competition, and number of spots available. Red pill expects exceptionality to occur.
Black pill tells him he's likely too short for the NBA. If he's good at basketball but can't overcome this limitation, black pill says he should play on local varsity teams instead. And if he's not good at the sport itself, then he should do something else instead.
No. This isn't Nihilism. Please learn what these concepts are before throwing terms around and diluting their meaning. Otherwise, we won't be able to understand what each other is saying at all.
Blue pill sends it's regards from 2012.
Are left out or have opted out? That's the big question. Between porn and hookers, why would most guys be on the dating market (apps, sites)?
Male-female relationships are not simple arithmetic like that. Very few couples I look at 'make sense' according to the model which works for NBA and other performance sports ... Bezos, Evan Spiegel, Chris Hemsworth, basically all those good looking, rich guys married/in relationships with divorced, older women with kids ... that would be like an NBA team made up of obese, 5'2'' guys.
100%. Especially when done on a very particular subtype of population, such as the women on okcupid.
Over a 40 year period, 67 percent of first marriages terminate. First marriages typically end within 20 years.
www.pewresearch.org
Most men go through their entire lives as blue pill, beta males. Men are raised with the blue pill platitudes. Millennial men were mainly raised by Boomer parents as blue pill men. Boomers were raised by the GI Generation (1910s-early 1920s births) and some of the blue pill platitudes actually were valid when the Boomers were younger before feminism/The Sexual Revolution fully took hold by the end of the 1970s. A lot of Boomer advice to their Millennial kids wasn't malicious, it was outdated and irrelevant. Aaron Clarey has done videos about this, including one last week.
I think most normie range men will be better off by avoiding dating apps. Dating apps are the most competitive environment out there. Yes, it is true that women that a man could meet in the real world could also be using dating apps. I do think women judge their prospects differently if they meet them in real life vs. a tech-based method. I do think your point on going outside not mattering much anymore has merit because most women have access to dating apps and Instagram DMs. Not all women use dating apps, but the ones who don't are getting DMs on Instagram and also getting DMs to a lesser extent on Facebook and LinkedIn. More women use a social media platform than use one of the swipe apps.
When this happens, it happens mainly due to money. Men who play the money game now need even more money in the past. This is because a large percentage of women have the ability to earn their own money and are not economically dependent on a man. We even had a thread on this. Men making $75,000 - $125,000 a year presently aren't seeing amazing outcomes in the dating market. While those men make above average salaries, those salaries aren't much more than most women can make without a man.
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