"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Value in the eyes of others and value in one's own eyes

tesla8520

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As men, we've all understood what women respond to: money, attraction, and status.

As a man seeking a fulfilling life, I often find myself at a crossroads every time I have to make a decision. I ask myself: "Should I choose this path because it would increase my value in terms of status, attraction, or money, and therefore make me more attractive to women? Or should I choose this other path simply because it makes me feel free and at peace with myself?"

When I choose what makes me feel free and at peace with myself, I've noticed that I gain greater inner strength, a kind of resilience. It's a bit like when someone offers you a slice of cake or a dessert, but you decline, thanking them calmly and confidently, knowing you're on a diet and that this choice makes you feel good.

It's like knowing that, by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, I would be able to attract the attention of many more women. I would communicate status and financial resources, elements that can attract women of all kinds, from the most superficial to the most serious.
How many women have you heard "say" that a car doesn't matter, only to then see them "do" completely different things?
Find me a woman who would refuse to go out, have sex, or push for a relationship and children with a man with a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.

That said...

At the same time, however, I tell myself that it would be an exaggeration to have to acquire all these attributes just because I know they would make me more attractive to women, especially if obtaining those things doesn't make me feel good about myself.

For example...

I could wear a smart suit with a blazer, go out on the street, and see women turn to look at me or compliment me. Yet, at the same time, I would feel that image making me a little insecure, while I would feel much more confident simply going out in jeans and a T-shirt.

What I mean is this: Have you ever felt, as a man, that you have to work hard to acquire certain attributes and material goods that convey high value to women and, consequently, attract them, but that, once you've obtained them, end up making you feel less confident?

As if you were missing something inside, something you would have if you had chosen a different path: driving a Toyota, wearing a nice pair of jeans and a T-shirt, taking care of your appearance and having good grooming.

A simpler life, which makes you feel better, but which at the same time, because it doesn't signal "high value," doesn't create the adequate opportunities you need as a man.

I'm talking specifically about men.

I see this behavior especially between the ages of 30 and 50: men constantly trying to prove they have something more than everyone else.

The biggest and most expensive car, the most exclusive clothes, the most prestigious clubs, the most important positions, and so on.

Rather than focusing on what they truly desire, they end up chasing what they know the public appreciates.

Let's take two examples.

On the one hand, we have an executive who drives a Maserati or a Mercedes-Benz, frequents a golf club, always dresses elegantly, wears a Rolex, has a beautiful woman by his side, perhaps children, a large house, and frequents exclusive circles.

On the other, we have a house painter who drives a second-hand Toyota, attends the local running group, dresses simply and cheaply, wears a Citizen, is single or has a partner with an equally simple life, and lives in a small apartment with no children.

Socially, the former is generally perceived as a more successful person.

People don't necessarily focus on his integrity, his goodness, his inner confidence, his kindness, or his industriousness. Rather, they tend to attribute certain qualities to him based on what he has achieved in life and what they can see. It's not just a superficial relationship. Those around him do it too.
Everyone did it in the past.
If there was a tribal chief, we were all there to listen to him and respect him. Regardless of whether there were better people for that role in our tribe.

What I'd like to say is that it's the role that makes the person...

It's the role that attributes adjectives of value to a person.

It's the name of the famous artist that attributes value to a work, even if that work can be replicated exactly the same way by other artists.

And so...

When faced with a corporate executive, we might think he's intelligent.

We attribute ability and resourcefulness to an entrepreneur.

We attribute cunning and power to a rich person.

On the contrary, when faced with someone who's unemployed, we might think he's not...
As men, we've all understood the elements that define a man's worth: money, beauty, and status.

As a man seeking a fulfilling life, I often find myself at a crossroads every time I have to make a decision. I ask myself: "Should I choose this path because it would increase my value in terms of status, attractiveness, or money, and therefore make me more attractive to women? Or should I choose this other path simply because it makes me feel free and at peace with myself?"

When I choose what makes me feel free and at peace with myself, I've noticed that I gain greater inner strength, a sort of resilience. It's a bit like when someone offers you a slice of cake or a dessert, but you decline, thanking them calmly and confidently, knowing you're on a diet and that this choice makes you feel good.

Or when you're offered a promotion, but you prefer to stay in your current position because you know that becoming a manager or executive will require you to work outside of work hours, and for you, who value your free time more, it's simply a complete no.

It's like knowing that by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, we'd be able to attract the attention of many more women. Communicating status and financial availability are elements that can attract women of all kinds, from the most superficial to the most serious.
How many women have you heard "say" that a car doesn't matter, but then you see them "doing" completely different things?
Find me a woman who would refuse to go out, have sex, or push for a relationship and children with a man with a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
(They don't exist.)

That said...

At the same time, however, I tell myself that it would be an exaggeration to have to acquire all these attributes just because I know they'd make me more attractive to women, especially if obtaining those things doesn't make me feel good about myself.

For example...

I could wear a smart suit with a blazer, go out on the street, and see women turn to look at me or pay me compliments. Yet, at the same time, I'd feel a little insecure about that image, whereas I'd feel much more confident simply going out in jeans and a T-shirt.

What I'm trying to say is this: Have you ever felt, as a man, that you have to work hard to acquire certain attributes and material goods that convey high value to women and, consequently, attract them, but that, once you've obtained them, end up making you feel less confident?

As if you were missing something inside, something you'd have if you'd chosen a different path: driving a Toyota or Kia, wearing a nice pair of jeans and a T-shirt, taking care of your appearance, and having good grooming.

A simpler life, which makes you feel better, but which, at the same time, because it doesn't signal "high value," doesn't create the adequate opportunities you need as a man.

On one side, we have a manager who drives a Maserati or a Mercedes-Benz, frequents a golf club, always dresses elegantly, wears a Rolex, has a beautiful woman by his side, perhaps children, a large house, and frequents exclusive circles.

On the other, we have a house painter who drives a second-hand Toyota, attends the local running group, dresses simply and cheaply, wears a Citizen, is single or has an equally simple partner, and lives in a small apartment with no children.

Socially, the former is generally perceived as a more successful person.

People don't necessarily focus on his integrity, his goodness, his inner confidence, his kindness, or his industriousness. Rather, they tend to attribute certain qualities to him based on what he's achieved in life and what they can see.
It's not just a superficial relationship. Those around him do it too.
Everyone did it in the past.
If there was a tribal chief, we were all there to listen to him and respect him. Regardless of whether there were better people in our tribe for that role.

What I'd like to say is that it's the role that makes the person...
It's the role that attributes adjectives of value or not to a person.

It's the name of the famous artist that attributes value to a work, even if that work can be replicated, in an exactly identical way, by other artists.

And so...

When faced with a corporate executive, we might think he's intelligent.
To an entrepreneur, we attribute ability and resourcefulness.
To a rich person, we attribute cunning and power.
Conversely, when faced with someone who's unemployed, we might think he's unambitious.
When faced with someone who's poor, we might conclude that he's incapable of finding a way to make money.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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BackInTheGame78

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Feeling the need to have external things as "proof" you are good enough means you don't actually believe you are, no matter what lies you may tell yourself.
 

taiyuu_otoko

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It's like knowing that, by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, I would be able to attract the attention of many more women.
That's a myth, a cope.

I see this behavior especially between the ages of 30 and 50: men constantly trying to prove they have something more than everyone else.
Life is a never ending status contest. You can't escape it. Humans are hierarchically driven primates.

However, real status isn't money or wealth or fame. It's how well you can manage and lead a group of strangers, particularly other men.

If men naturally see you as the "go to guy" when things go sideways, that's real status.

If you're "the guy" everybody wants to be around within any social group, that's status.

But this requires confidence, social skills, experience, the ability to talk a stranger into feeling good about themselves, no matter how gorgeous they are, without having any outcome.

This is incredibly rare and takes a lifetime to achieve.

Which is why nearly all guys chase "fake status" through material wealth and XXXmaxing.

The idea of "should I pursue excellence" or "should I live a quiet happy life" is also a cope based false dichotomy.

Chasing your ambitions, and developing genuinely attractive social skills and personality traits is hard, which is why most men nope out of the game.

Then they naturally stumble upon the false dichotomy of life:

"Should I chase wealth and fame just to please others, or should I live quietly in a cabin in the woods and enjoy the simple life?"

Men are built to conquer and dominate.

Wealthy, status and endless pvssy are simply byproducts. Not ends in and of themselves.
 

BaronOfHair

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@tesla8520 "It's like knowing that, by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, I would be able to attract the attention of many more women"

M. Cera's almost certainly rolled up to a few million luxury hotels and restaurants in a luxury automobile. Yet, the number of gals in RL who deem fellas with his persona a panty dropper is in the single digits

Cause for interrogating the accuracy of your current beliefs is thus stronger than the case for abandoning all hope that network TV will ever again be as relevant as it was in The 2000s, to say nothing of all decades prior
 

The Duke

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You will never become a strong and confident person worrying about what others think and trying to impress them. Do it for yourself or don't do it at all.

The folks that are trying to impress people with what they have never really have it anyways. Its alway an act to cover up what is lacking inside.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Manure Spherian

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As men, we've all understood what women respond to: money, attraction, and status.

As a man seeking a fulfilling life, I often find myself at a crossroads every time I have to make a decision. I ask myself: "Should I choose this path because it would increase my value in terms of status, attraction, or money, and therefore make me more attractive to women? Or should I choose this other path simply because it makes me feel free and at peace with myself?"

When I choose what makes me feel free and at peace with myself, I've noticed that I gain greater inner strength, a kind of resilience. It's a bit like when someone offers you a slice of cake or a dessert, but you decline, thanking them calmly and confidently, knowing you're on a diet and that this choice makes you feel good.

It's like knowing that, by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, I would be able to attract the attention of many more women. I would communicate status and financial resources, elements that can attract women of all kinds, from the most superficial to the most serious.
How many women have you heard "say" that a car doesn't matter, only to then see them "do" completely different things?
Find me a woman who would refuse to go out, have sex, or push for a relationship and children with a man with a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.

That said...

At the same time, however, I tell myself that it would be an exaggeration to have to acquire all these attributes just because I know they would make me more attractive to women, especially if obtaining those things doesn't make me feel good about myself.

For example...

I could wear a smart suit with a blazer, go out on the street, and see women turn to look at me or compliment me. Yet, at the same time, I would feel that image making me a little insecure, while I would feel much more confident simply going out in jeans and a T-shirt.

What I mean is this: Have you ever felt, as a man, that you have to work hard to acquire certain attributes and material goods that convey high value to women and, consequently, attract them, but that, once you've obtained them, end up making you feel less confident?

As if you were missing something inside, something you would have if you had chosen a different path: driving a Toyota, wearing a nice pair of jeans and a T-shirt, taking care of your appearance and having good grooming.

A simpler life, which makes you feel better, but which at the same time, because it doesn't signal "high value," doesn't create the adequate opportunities you need as a man.

I'm talking specifically about men.

I see this behavior especially between the ages of 30 and 50: men constantly trying to prove they have something more than everyone else.

The biggest and most expensive car, the most exclusive clothes, the most prestigious clubs, the most important positions, and so on.

Rather than focusing on what they truly desire, they end up chasing what they know the public appreciates.

Let's take two examples.

On the one hand, we have an executive who drives a Maserati or a Mercedes-Benz, frequents a golf club, always dresses elegantly, wears a Rolex, has a beautiful woman by his side, perhaps children, a large house, and frequents exclusive circles.

On the other, we have a house painter who drives a second-hand Toyota, attends the local running group, dresses simply and cheaply, wears a Citizen, is single or has a partner with an equally simple life, and lives in a small apartment with no children.

Socially, the former is generally perceived as a more successful person.

People don't necessarily focus on his integrity, his goodness, his inner confidence, his kindness, or his industriousness. Rather, they tend to attribute certain qualities to him based on what he has achieved in life and what they can see. It's not just a superficial relationship. Those around him do it too.
Everyone did it in the past.
If there was a tribal chief, we were all there to listen to him and respect him. Regardless of whether there were better people for that role in our tribe.

What I'd like to say is that it's the role that makes the person...

It's the role that attributes adjectives of value to a person.

It's the name of the famous artist that attributes value to a work, even if that work can be replicated exactly the same way by other artists.

And so...

When faced with a corporate executive, we might think he's intelligent.

We attribute ability and resourcefulness to an entrepreneur.

We attribute cunning and power to a rich person.

On the contrary, when faced with someone who's unemployed, we might think he's not...
As men, we've all understood the elements that define a man's worth: money, beauty, and status.

As a man seeking a fulfilling life, I often find myself at a crossroads every time I have to make a decision. I ask myself: "Should I choose this path because it would increase my value in terms of status, attractiveness, or money, and therefore make me more attractive to women? Or should I choose this other path simply because it makes me feel free and at peace with myself?"

When I choose what makes me feel free and at peace with myself, I've noticed that I gain greater inner strength, a sort of resilience. It's a bit like when someone offers you a slice of cake or a dessert, but you decline, thanking them calmly and confidently, knowing you're on a diet and that this choice makes you feel good.

Or when you're offered a promotion, but you prefer to stay in your current position because you know that becoming a manager or executive will require you to work outside of work hours, and for you, who value your free time more, it's simply a complete no.

It's like knowing that by driving a BMW, a Mercedes, or a Lamborghini, we'd be able to attract the attention of many more women. Communicating status and financial availability are elements that can attract women of all kinds, from the most superficial to the most serious.
How many women have you heard "say" that a car doesn't matter, but then you see them "doing" completely different things?
Find me a woman who would refuse to go out, have sex, or push for a relationship and children with a man with a Ferrari or a Lamborghini.
(They don't exist.)

That said...

At the same time, however, I tell myself that it would be an exaggeration to have to acquire all these attributes just because I know they'd make me more attractive to women, especially if obtaining those things doesn't make me feel good about myself.

For example...

I could wear a smart suit with a blazer, go out on the street, and see women turn to look at me or pay me compliments. Yet, at the same time, I'd feel a little insecure about that image, whereas I'd feel much more confident simply going out in jeans and a T-shirt.

What I'm trying to say is this: Have you ever felt, as a man, that you have to work hard to acquire certain attributes and material goods that convey high value to women and, consequently, attract them, but that, once you've obtained them, end up making you feel less confident?

As if you were missing something inside, something you'd have if you'd chosen a different path: driving a Toyota or Kia, wearing a nice pair of jeans and a T-shirt, taking care of your appearance, and having good grooming.

A simpler life, which makes you feel better, but which, at the same time, because it doesn't signal "high value," doesn't create the adequate opportunities you need as a man.

On one side, we have a manager who drives a Maserati or a Mercedes-Benz, frequents a golf club, always dresses elegantly, wears a Rolex, has a beautiful woman by his side, perhaps children, a large house, and frequents exclusive circles.

On the other, we have a house painter who drives a second-hand Toyota, attends the local running group, dresses simply and cheaply, wears a Citizen, is single or has an equally simple partner, and lives in a small apartment with no children.

Socially, the former is generally perceived as a more successful person.

People don't necessarily focus on his integrity, his goodness, his inner confidence, his kindness, or his industriousness. Rather, they tend to attribute certain qualities to him based on what he's achieved in life and what they can see.
It's not just a superficial relationship. Those around him do it too.
Everyone did it in the past.
If there was a tribal chief, we were all there to listen to him and respect him. Regardless of whether there were better people in our tribe for that role.

What I'd like to say is that it's the role that makes the person...
It's the role that attributes adjectives of value or not to a person.

It's the name of the famous artist that attributes value to a work, even if that work can be replicated, in an exactly identical way, by other artists.

And so...

When faced with a corporate executive, we might think he's intelligent.
To an entrepreneur, we attribute ability and resourcefulness.
To a rich person, we attribute cunning and power.
Conversely, when faced with someone who's unemployed, we might think he's unambitious.
When faced with someone who's poor, we might conclude that he's incapable of finding a way to make money.
Are you womanless? If so, for how long?

Do you have close friends?
 

tesla8520

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However, real status isn't money, wealth, or fame. It's how well you can manage and lead a group of strangers, particularly other men.

If men naturally see you as the "go to guy" when things go sideways, that's real status.

If you're "the guy" everyone wants to be around within any social group, that's status.

Which is why nearly all guys chase "fake status" through material wealth and XXXmaxing.
We're really getting to the heart of the matter.
And it seems like you, who brought it up, have resources and can say something about it.
You've definitely done something for yourself to improve in that area.

This is why the "manager" in a given work environment is seen as the most skilled person (even if he doesn't actually possess them).
This is why the "employee" who is given orders, doesn't get what the manager has, even if that employee has superior qualities to the manager.

Having said this, I agree with you that we shouldn't chase "fake status," but I also agree that "fake status" gives you qualities that allow others to see you as a "reference point" because you have more status.

I've always been fascinated by the idea of leading others...

A manager can lead because the organizational chart grants him that power. But if he loses his job tomorrow, he might discover that no one was truly following him.
A coach, on the other hand, may have no formal power off the field, but be followed, listened to, and respected by his players even when it's not mandatory.

The second form of leadership is particularly interesting because it doesn't entirely depend on the position held. Some examples:

Sports coach

Teacher

Craftsman

Expert in some field

Group organizer

Social worker

Martial arts instructor

Mountain or tourist guide

Although this is precisely what we see in today's world..
That leadership, to be applied successfully, require a man to be like this
 

tesla8520

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Are you womanless? If so, for how long?

Do you have close friends?
These are deep questions.
I have two chicks right now, but I've been womanless in the past, for different periods of time.

I do have close friends, two. (very close)
 
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